: Lotta great points here, let's tackle 'em one by one: 1) Base Skin Chromas I can see how in situations where a Champion doesn't have a lot of skins and their base is really good, this can be really high value, it's definitely something for us to consider and talk about with the team (we have an ASol main on the team who I'm sure will agree wholeheartedly with you on this case) 2) Older Chromas Naming This is certainly something we can think about fixing, but it would take a bit of work particularly with our Localization team. I'll have to chat with them and our Store team to make sure everyone's on the same page before we can make a change, which is exactly what I'll do =) 3) Loading Screen Chromas Indication I think this would be a great addition. We currently don't / aren't really able to change Loading Screen at the moment, as that is owned by another team, but it's something we can certainly talk to them about and see if we can figure something out TL;DR: There's a lotta cross-team chatting that needs to happen, so I'll get on that!
Wow, that's an awesome reply, it's definitely uplifting to read a series "sure, I'll talk with the other teams about this suggestion" :D Please don't forget to update later with the feedback you got! ^^
: **UPDATE**: Both Eclipse Leonas and Pajama Guardian Variants will be discounted now at 45% if you own the other one. So, if you own one Eclipse Leona, the other will cost 1001 RP (2821 RP for both). If you own one Star/Pajama Guardian, you’ll get its counterpart for 742 RP (2092 RP for both)
Hi Katey! First, thanks for lowering the prices of the skins if you already own the original/other one, much appreciated. Now, I wanted to ask: how will the sales work for these skins? If e.g. I own SG Lux, and PJ Lux goes on sale at 50% discount, how much will I pay for it? 371 (i.e. half of 742)RP? If so, that would be awesome :D Oh, and another very (veeery) minor thing: I'd rather the skins be priced 1000RP and 750RP, round numbers! xD (also, 750 RP is already a familiar price for skins)
: Hey guys I wanted to apologize for being straight up bad in responding in this thread (or cosmic in general, really). It won't happen next time (next Tuesday I'll be posting again), 100%.
: Hi hi! We did try this going both ways in development! I understand that this doesn't necessarily follow conventional physics, but we are't planning on changing it back the other way. When you've got this as a still image, it's easy to tell what it is, but when you've got this in motion, it's a bit harder to tell what the object being thrown out is; this was the general consensus from internal playtests/gameplay feedback when he was early on in development and his VFX were WIP, which is why we landed on the bag facing the direction you're seeing it currently on PBE.
Did you try lining the bag vertically, like the present on Santa Braum? Would that look confusing too?
: Woot! Your chiming is much appreciated! And thank YOU too!
: [CLOSED] PBE Bugs & Feedback Thread: Mecha Aurelion Sol, Mafia Braum, and Cosmic Chromas!
Just chiming in to tell you that those Braum chromas look AWESOME! I've always enjoyed playing him and already own two skins for Braum, but I'm definitely tempted to buy this one too with a few chromas, since they make the skin definitely different (especially things like Obsidian and Pearl have a very different look than the base skin). Thank you! <3
: PBE Bugs & Feedback Thread: Pool Party and Headhunter Akali Chromas!
Hello! I have a question about the GP bundle, not sure if this is the right place to ask (I also asked on the NA news but got no response): will the bundle feature the skin itself too, or is it just for the chromas+icons+ward skin? I'm thinking of gifting it to a friend and need to know how many RP to buy :) Thanks!
: He looks way too similar to Pool Party Graves.
I had the same first impression, would need to see them side by side in the same game to see if it's really as confusing as it seems
: Can we get him a hairy chest? We dont get to see that side of the male characters often. I also feel like it fits a pirate with how they tend to be "rougher". Plus having it between that open shirt, he could pull it off wonderfully.
It would also be reminiscent of old (old old!) GP: https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/7/75/Gangplank_OriginalLoading_old.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120111234808
: I'm confused by the recall animation. Is it normal for Caitlyn to be "mean"? Is that her character? Isn't she an upstanding officer of the law? If those things are true, _why does she kick the crab?_ For me it was so jarring that it wasn't funny. If it was GP doing it, I'd have laughed. So the animation and action are funny to me. However, it's Caitlyn doing it....so now I'm confused and wondering if I'm alone in confusion.
I wanted to point out the same thing, thanks! When I watched the recall it was all funny and silly until...she kicks the crab without reason? Fiora's recall has a completely different story, there the crab fights her and threatens her, it's antagonistic. In Cait's recall though, the crab fans her (although reluctantly). I was expecting her to PET the crab before parting ways, why would she kick it? ;_;
: Hey Fizz, 1) We should (and are working on) fixing client lag. We won't ship these to Live so long as client issues are common. That isn't going to stop me from testing though. 2) I agree that players need time to meet their basic needs while playing. Leaning on a bloated champ select is not an efficient means of doing so. For starters, only some players can do so (those at the top of the pick order) and ~40% of players cannot (blind pick). I'll be running to the bathroom during my PBE games this week. It's possible that we will need to modify the current timings some to account for this. 3) Correct, there isn't one single scale. That is why the chart uses bands -- they represent the responses of individuals within the player population. I'm most excited about follow on work designed to minimize the variance in time needed between champ select veterans and those with less experience.
> [{quoted}](name=CertainlyT,realm=PBE,application-id=AYQh7p7O,discussion-id=EARYibQ0,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2018-07-10T01:51:10.526+0000) > > 3) Correct, there isn&#x27;t one single scale. That is why the chart uses bands -- they represent the responses of individuals within the player population. I&#x27;m most excited about follow on work designed to minimize the variance in time needed between champ select veterans and those with less experience. Sorry for going a bit off topic here, but speaking of making champ select less stressful, I'd *love* if it could be made so that the jungler automatically has smite selected. I don't play SR often and I usually fill, and while I can handle to play support with teleport, it's almost lost from the beginning if the jungler forgets to select smite :( Where should I write this suggestion? Should I open a ticket? A thread on the boards? Thanks for listening :)
: New versions of Zombie Ward and Ghost Poro arrive on PBE
Hi! Thanks for looking into these runes, I'm a main jungler and support and i've always been a fan of the vision game and of these two runes in particular. But I want to share a concern about ghost poro: since the poro gives stats as long as it's not discovered by opponents, I fear this version will encourage players to put the poro into brushes that are less frequently used (the one next to the inner tower in bot and top lane comes to my mind), which would be kinda playing against it's value as a vision tool in favor of its value as a stat-granting tool. I'm aware this will definitely not be a game breaking thing, but do you think this could happen, and would you consider it a problem? as always, thanks for sharing and communicating with us :)
: Happy to bring it up in our review meeting, no promises. :P
: Concepts are exactly that, and are never meant to be a 1:1 with what the final result is. The concept here was directional, not what the modeler was to go off of for the final product. This concept was specifically for getting a general direction for how the outfits could look and feel, and to give us a baseline of what cohesion would look like - it's what we showed to SSG to see if they liked the idea we wanted to take their skins in. We do need to simplify many concepts once we work on the model because the small details don't read properly from game height. That's the tricky part about showing concepts; there will almost always be bits and pieces you like from the concept that ultimately don't get used in game for one reason or another. ;-; For Ezreal's hair specifically, we saw a lot of overlap with Frosted Ezreal, another blue skin with light hair.
Hi Katey! I don't dislike Ez' dark hair, but It does look unusual for him and it took me a bit when watching the teaser to understand it was ezreal. Would it be possible to have at least *some* light/white in his hair, like a gradient, or a lighter streak?
: PBE Bugs & Feedback Thread: Mecha Chromas!
One more and we can have a full Eva-001 team https://orig00.deviantart.net/cb99/f/2014/182/d/8/mecha_malphite___skin_pbe_by_lolfactsfr-d7ou0o7.png https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-UZOZQ5L2lOg/We-suzE_9QI/AAAAAAAAyAk/ezAdbHYjvcoNoHQ9Qdj_b5QBUu5OiF6uACEwYBhgL/s1600/92b0e082a22d074a.png https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-HkTmKzDhTi4/We-svWl8bpI/AAAAAAAAyAk/Sy1miJnixVQoeld35rP5_YAzHxkVzJ_kwCEwYBhgL/s1600/9927d818b27f3818.png https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-cbQ3mgNsA1I/We-sqzqxqlI/AAAAAAAAyAk/GdHYHPlqk-wQ9AUcypbUrQ2sxSMuOImMgCEwYBhgL/s1600/2c063c24aa4537db.png
: I find this skin as the most forced ugly trash in this game. I find nothing funny about A RenCAR. Sounds are nice the color is ugly. Weapon sucks. Feelsbadman.
What would you change to improve this skin? Throwing it away isn't an option ^^
: Thanks for your response! We're still looking at all the feedback so I can't say if we'll change anything specific, but it may not be too late. You are correct that the intended thematic is pretty far away from Blitzcrank's generally silly personality; this was a challenge the team wanted to tackle when wanting to deliver a really badass skin to Blitzcrank players. This ultimately ran into many challenges and resulted in us having to try to balance the levers available to us. The run specifically was really tricky because it inherently became apparent that the original 'floating' run animation we had once the model was completed instantly made him feel like a new champion. We tried a lot of variations to solve this issue but ultimately concluded that a floating blitz really made it hard to recognize him in playtests. We actually also tried adding legs, but those looked even more silly and awkward when we made them so we avoided that direction. Thanks for the feedback!
Thank _you_ for explaining the situation in more detail. I'm glad you tried out legs and I'm sad that didn't work out. What would you say is the biggest challenge when designing and developing these two skins? Making a skin that has a very different tone than Blitz while still being recognizable as him? Facing similar unexpected problems? I'll think of a solution, but at this point I don't know what else could work. Thanks for engaging with us!
: Hey guys I'm an animator that worked on Lancer Rogue/Paragon Blitzcrank and wanted to give some additional insight into this topic. If you haven't already, check out the post Riot AdamUnicorn wrote (linked above!) about the new production process/philosophies we used while making these two skins. It's definitely worth a read! The main idea that informed our decision to keep a run animation similar to base Blitzcrank was gameplay readability. Very early on in development we had conversations about whether or not the run animation was something we could change. Blitzcrank as a character has some pretty iconic moments such as his silhouette, his run animation, and his hook ability and as the Nexus article discusses, we tried to focus and prioritize on what would made this Blitzcrank skin awesome (the hook) and all the other elements (skin design/effects/animation/etc) followed suit. All skins have multiple levers that artists can play around with to make a skin feel different but still the same champion (and every skin has varied success with this). Areas like Colors, Models, Textures, Animations, Spell Visuals, and Audio all work together to form the final product. If we think of a character’s readability as a bucket, each of these different factors contribute to filling that bucket. Changing too many things all at once results in the contents of the bucket to overflow, leading to recognizability issues. Changing one thing drastically means having to be conservative (make little to no changes) in other areas. In Lancer's case, because the changes to his model were SO extreme, in order to maintain his readability as Blitzcrank, it was critical that we keep his run animation. We initially tested some floating/flying animations but we quickly learned that any meaningfully different runs on Blitz immediately made him next to unreadable as Blitz. *TL:DR we thought about changing his run animation, but in order to sell the cool fantasy of this mech/warrior/lancer which required extensive silhouette and model changes, we couldn't also change the run animation.* *TL;DR TL;DR by redditor Kadexe: These skins look really different from standard Blitzcrank, and changing the walking animation would be going too far when you're already pushing it.*
Ok, so far this makes sense. Now, for these skins it's too late, but I'd like to point out something important. Blitzcrank is, by his very nature, a goofy character, not unlike mundo or gragas. His walking animation is one of the things that contribute to this. Now, these two skins are far from goofy, they're badass and serious (and honestly, they look awesome). What you are saying is that since Blitz' model changes so much, you had to keep his (goofy) walking animation to avoid making him unrecognizable, and that's fine. But to me the walking animation has two problems, and it not fitting the overall theme and tone of the skin is honestly the lesser one. The biggest problem to me is that those two models don't support Blitz' standard walking animation: they don't have legs, but rather jet turbines, and Blitz _walking_ on them just looks painfully ugly. Why did you not simply change the model and added legs back? The skins would still have a goofy walk that didn't fit the tone, but at least it would make sense... Thanks for listening and sorry for being critical :)
: [CLOSED] PBE Bugs & Feedback Thread: Mecha Rengar!
Hi katey! I fear this is very stupid feedback, but one thing bothers me to no end with this skin: when Rengar recalls and begins transforming, he stretches out his arms, then makes a 360° turn before completing the transformation. Why does he make that turn? Transformers often have the upper half turn when transforming, but that's because they need to be turned the other side in vehicle form, a complete, 360° turn just makes no sense. Told ya it's stupid feedback, feel free to ignore me, I'm not a rengar player and I probably won't buy the skin anyway xD
: No need to be sorry! We always appreciate any feedback, and who knows, it might end up changing what we do in the future! Skins themselves do sort of end up creating new universes for themselves, and we wouldn't want a Chroma to change that continuity (despite it not being canon). We want players to feel like, even if they are using a Chroma, that that Chroma still feels like its parent skin (even though my Battlecast Urgot is now [color], I feel like I'm still using Battlecast Urgot) I do understand the desire for a Pink Urgot (*cough Star Guardian cough*), but I think most would actually want a real Star Guardian Urgot to come out rather than something that sort of resembles that but isn't actually it. We wouldn't want players to feel like a Pink Urgot was made to be a substitute for that. Similarly, for Arcade Corki for example, pink is an understandable color you would find in an arcade game, so it still fits that sort of background that Arcade Corki has Feel free to keep it coming with the questions! Really, thanks for the feedback!
This reminds me of the concepts I put together with my wife for Star Guardian Urgot and his team, we really need to draw them :D I don't have much more to say honestly, in the end it's a business decision and I accept that (at least for now) that is Riot's policy about chromas. I definitely understand how it makes more sense for Arcade Corki to have a pink chroma rather than BC Urgot, but again, in the end it's a decision you as a company have to take :) As for the tone, I try to give constructive feedback, but since i'm not a native english speaker, I often struggle to explain myself and I fear that I sound way more rude than I'd like :( I know you are used to getting even very ~~aggressive~~ passionate feedback, but I don't see a reason to be one of _those_ users <3 On the other hand, when are you finally making some Iron Man/Warmachine/Iron Patriot chromas for Full Machine Viktor? Jk, jk :P {{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}}
: is ready when she comes to you again, if u are good observer, when she is on cooldown is around your oponent, and when she are ready is when she are around you.
so, if Aery is ready to be sent out, she floats around the champion (like janna's pet)?
: Report the heck out of them. The system is set up just like live to handle bad player behavior.
I was wondering, if someone is reported and punished on PBE, does this affect the regular account too, if it's the same?
: Brighter colors are always nice, but we wanted to keep the Chromas consistent with the original theme of Battlecast, so we wanted to make sure that any of these Chromas felt like they could be a Battlecast Urgot skin!
Interesting. May I ask why? I mean, I see chromas as a way to further customize skins. Skins aren't canon and can change the look&feel of a champ (Battlecast urgot here is already an example, but think of arclicght yorick for example, or Marauder Ashe). To me chromas are for skins what skins are for champs, and so I don't see any problem with having a pink or very bright battlecast urgot (much like pink arcade corki), because it's still a choice by the player if he wants to buy and use it. Does it make sense? What are the reasons you chose to stick to "battlecast" colors with Urgot's chroma? I'm sorry if this sounds like criticism/whine, I'm really just curious ^^
: Awww, thank you so much for this message. I will share it with the whole team. Our greatest dream is that you all have fun playing League of Legends. <3
{{sticker:galio-happy}} lesson learned: when making big changes, leave the stuff on PBE for longer :D (definite proof will be when the system is released, but things are looking good so far ^^) I also notice how this actually supports Riot's idea to have the patches split into major and minor ones, for major changes the stuff to be changed could undergo two PBE testing cycles instead of one {{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}}
: :c This is a hard answer to give because as a fellow support main I totally love having Aery around too. Unfortunately, we've found through testing that Aery is significantly more distracting for enemies and allies than similar keystones. In the past, she was given equal visual 'weight' in all of her states - her ready state, the active and the cooldown state (which is where she actually needs most of your attention). We want to give each rune the appropriate amount of gameplay visibility and even though having Aery float around all the time is satisfying (because I love herrrrr) it's actually not great for clarity - if she's around all the time in ready/active/cooldown it actually makes it harder to tell which state she's actually in for everyone who needs to play around that info. Adding to the problem, she also has more states than similar keystones like Comet. Thus, we made the call to have her be present for her most important states (active/coming home) and to act more like a buff for her ready state (which she kinda is because she is a rune, after all). We've found that this change makes her significantly easier to track and play around for both enemies and owners. PS I like to think that when Aery goes away she's actually returning into your heart though, where she came from. 💕
I haven't had the chance to try the new runes system out yet, bus is there no indicator whatsoever when Aery is ready to be cast? I can't seem to find any decent video either...
: This ping is expected depending on where you are playing from. The servers are located in North America. I am aware of some issues where ping occasionally spikes; we are looking into that.
Hi Banfhammer. I just went through the red tracker after not checking it for a few days, man are people getting crazy about pbe! It must be hard days for you, thanks to you and all other rioters for your patience and hard work :) {{sticker:katarina-love}}
: Doom Bots available for testing!
> [{quoted}](name=Riot Stephiroth,realm=PBE,application-id=2EAF660193FA3B668D7234B3AEBB530C5AB7F651,discussion-id=TsgVIzcf,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-10-12T23:28:45.314+0000) > > * Fixed some AI issues with the Yasuo Doom Bot > * He was learning too much from our live players, and would AFK randomly after certain periods of time, and allow you to kill him for free (inting). We have fixed his AI issues and he should now be appropriately (or overly) aggressive. :D Gosh, I love every bit of this xD But wait a sec, are you actually using machine learning to inform each bot's AI? If so, that's awesome! {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-rainbows}}
: Thanks for the report! This is fine actually. Because we built a new PBE signup system from the ground up, it's not using any of the old account links from the prior system. So all eligible players can create one new PBE account if desired, even if they had a previous one.
So basically I can now have two accounts, my old PBE account and my regular EUW account (which I can now use to log into PBE)? Both my accounts have the same username and summoner name (i'm a programmer, i have no fantasy :P), is that a problem? The only difference is the password I use to log in... (this is my PBE account)
: It was Reav3 https://i.gyazo.com/35de4cc5b7ddb26808faf2f13f487789.png
yup, here's the link https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/KxseJ1Uk-evelynn-teaser-from-league-of-legends-philippines-facebook?comment=00050000000100010002 EDIT also: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/KxseJ1Uk-evelynn-teaser-from-league-of-legends-philippines-facebook?comment=00050000000100010002000f0000 > [{quoted}](name=Reav3,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=KxseJ1Uk,comment-id=00050000000100010002000f0000,timestamp=2017-09-28T00:11:00.611+0000) > > Yeah, sorry just talked to JohnODyin, looks like they cut that line > > :(
: Heya! Thanks for the feedback! > Why are her wings are her hips??? This is the first thing I noticed and it's making me so sad ;-; By far my least favourite part of the skin for me. Could you elaborate on what's bothering you? What makes you dislike them - what would you change? > I feel like her W projectile/light/thingy is kinda small compared to her other skins. It is! We're going to be making an adjustment to it a bit later this patch! > Shisa isn't around very much. They're not, but this is intended. We couldn't find much of a sweet spot to add Shisa in that made sense and didn't interfere with gameplay. I'm open to hearing you out if you have a particular spot in her kit that you'd like would work. :)
I agree that the wings seem to be attached a bit too low. Dragon Sorceress Zyra was already borderline, Soraka's wings during the recall seem to grow out of her butt :(
: While yes, the thematic is more gear towards magical girls, I don't think a character having a horn detracts from that. Besides, Ezreal's a guy, so by your standard, he also wouldn't fit in with magical girls either. ;)
Oh katey, drawing parallels between soraka's horn and Ezreal's manliness.... :P
: Hey Falkus! > SG Ahri's charm seems really large compared to her other skins, which could affect her gameplay quite a bit. I've checked the hit boxes, and they're 100% the same. I think what may be throwing you off is the shape of the heard, and the more vibrant trail. Here's a comparison between the two: http://imgur.com/HDGHxPa > The blue ribbon on Ahri's chest reads more like a bra than a ribbon from game height. I think if the ribbon were smaller this would be less of an issue as it would expose more of the white chestpiece on her torso. I can kind of see where you're coming from with this. For context, we'd added splashes of purple/blue to the outfit to break up the model, and allow for it to be less of a white/pink blob from game height. I think if we changed the color, we'd lose some of the model's clarity. > Her walking animation looks a bit silly compared to her base, though I think that might just be a personal preference thing I'd agree that this is more subjective - the run is meant to be more aligned with an anime style, and if you aren't super into anime (like myself), it may go over your head, or not be as obvious as to why we chose to have her run in this manner, haha. Glad you like her! <3 {{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}}
I think the circling effect around the trail makes the trail seem larger, and thus the whole skillshot. Not sure it's a problem, I'd maybe tone that effect down a bit, maybe by making the two circling lines even more transparent, or just tighter around the pink trail :)
: Hi hi! I'm comparing Star Guardian's Make It Rain to some of the other skins and base, and they seem fairly similar to me - thoughts? **Star Guardian** http://imgur.com/a39LSbk **Pool Party** http://imgur.com/Z4i4guu **Base** http://imgur.com/z62TLMy
: Hm. Basically: Upon completion of a round, we give you some amount of gold. Let's say for this round it's 100. You have the pickpocket mastery set. As a result, you gain 15 gold over the course of the round. When you complete the round, we only give you 85 gold. As a result, in total you'll still have earned exactly 100 gold. Does that make any more sense? Sorry, not sure how to word that better, hahah.
So basically, anything that gives you gold is useless since you can only earn a fixed amount of gold each round, and I guess you can not spend it during play right?
: It automatically moves items to certain slots when you buy them. Always have Zhonya's on 3? Want to always make sure pots are always on 2? You can set your preference in your item build and it will move it there, or to any other slot, when you buy it.
: Feedback Thread: Preferred Slot
Close xD What does this new function do, exactly? (won't be able to test it before 12+ hours)
: Hey! She won't have new VO; that's something that's reserved for legendary and ultimate skins. So, for this skin, she's going to be using base quotes. The AA for Pentakill Kayle will be the same as base, as it currently stands. We've had internal discussions around it, and have read through feedback. I've also consulted several high elo Kayle players, play test folks. The consensus was that while it isn't great, but doesn't make the champion unplayable. If we were to make a new animation, we'd need a couple days to do it, run it through a playtest to make sure it felt okay. Changes are, it might not, so we'd need to adjust again. After, we need to re-export the animations and QA all animations on all skins to make sure we didn't break anything. Based on how long we have left to work on the skin, it's unlikely our team would be able to accommodate that. TL;DR, we wouldn't want to half ass it for the sake of calling it updated. It'd also feel pretty bad to take something from a legendary skin and toss it on to another skin. (It'd also require similar model adjustments, and similar QA work).
I'm not familiar with the problem with kayle's autos (I have Riot Kayle and Judgment, and always use the latter), but if base aa animation bears so much problem, would it make sense to update her base autoattack to match that of AWK? It would obviously be a lot of work, but... for better gameplay? Also, it would be good for the long term... ^^
: > [{quoted}](name=Gift,realm=PBE,application-id=cMKtzQHY,discussion-id=uGehU98k,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-07-26T03:30:42.404+0000) > > Great skin for ziggs!! really nice vfx for q and r, but I was wondering for zigg&#x27;s recall, would it be possible to replace the bombs with his q bombs and make them bigger to show the effect of about to explode. Thanks for the feedback, Gift! :D Unfortunately, we purposely stayed away from using his actual Q bombs because we didn't want them to read as possibly dangerous when enemies are used to his pink bomb particle already. Like MoonBoy65 mentioned, we also wanted to keep the Bomberman reference in tact. ;)
: [CLOSED] PBE Bugs & Feedback Thread: Battle Boss Malzahar!
Hi! I still have to try this skin out, but judging from the videos and screenshots I have difficulty to instantly recognize this model as Malzahar. I still need to figure out what his main reads are (except, in this case, for color), but I only understood that it's malzahar when I saw the voidlings I also feel his Q looks quite different than base, especially in regards to timing, but it might just be a wrong impression ^^ The ult looks awesome though :D
: > [{quoted}](name=Sophistry,realm=PBE,application-id=cMKtzQHY,discussion-id=YfEsuHyV,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-07-25T21:36:43.727+0000) > > it&#x27;s already been mentioned in [the reddit thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/6pfocx/pbe_preview_battle_boss_brand_malzahar_and_ziggs/dkox1k2/), but i&#x27;m gonna echo some of it here: the Q looks really similar to ezreal&#x27;s Q, and it&#x27;s hard to actually recognise this skin as brand. brand&#x27;s other skins have a lot more flames/fire (his hands are glowing red hot / he has flames and embers all over his body / etc), this one barely has any. Hiya, Sophistry, thanks for the feedback! We've definitely seen these concerns. In terms of the Q looking like Pulsefire Ezreal's Q, I'm running this through the Playtest team again! We've found that, although they look similar, the immediate counter-play thought that runs through an enemy's mind is the same whether they think it's a Ez Q or Brand Q--you gotta dodge the projectile. Brand's Q is also more round with an ember trail, while PFE's is more cone-shaped/cylindrical with an energy trail, which helps a bit (the color similarity is the main issue though and we recognize that). For these reasons, we're seeing less risk in keeping the particle as is, but we're still going through Gameplay, Playtest, and Esports to double-check our assumptions! It's definitely not falling off our radar. Here's an image comparison for those curious! http://imgur.com/XbGQJyH As for his model not being immediately recognizable as Brand, we're getting double-checks on this as well! We've actually been running these skins through playtests for a few months now, and we've found that, although we've definitely deviated from Brand's typical silhouette in exchange for a more thematically interesting look, players were able to quickly understand that he's Brand when actually in game. He's really the only humanoid with fire-hands in our game so that helps with recognizability. ;) Because his silhouette is so simple, it also makes it very easy for minor deviations to cause immediate confusion. That being said, we'll keep a close eye on this issue and get input from various teams to make an informed decision about this. Here's another image comparison: http://imgur.com/nhJ5BlK Thanks again for the feedback! <3
Maybe you could make the flames on his head higher/more visible, to make him more similar to the other skins? I also hat to look twice before understanding it's brand, but the hands gave that away, and I actually like this skin a lot (Mega Man fan here ^^), i have a lot more issues on Malzahar (but I'll write something in his topic) About his Q, maybe you could make it a warmer color, more purple/pink? I don't see much problem with the similarity to PFE Q, personally ^^
: Hiya, ya'll! Thanks for all the fantastic feedback! It feels like the most consistent feedback is centering on the R needing more oomph, especially in relation to the Q, and getting more creative use of his gun. I'm hearing some comments about his VO as well, so we'll see what we can tackle there as well with Localization requirements in mind. We'll bring this feedback to the team and see what makes sense to tackle with the time we got left, while considering how risky changes would be in terms of introducing bugs or negatively influencing gameplay. Glad it seems like there's a lot excitement for our tiny master of evil joining the Omega Squad! <3
I'm looking foreward to what you will do with Veigar's gun, thanks for listening! :)
: > [{quoted}](name=Gorigami,realm=PBE,application-id=cMKtzQHY,discussion-id=mZazPEpE,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-07-12T00:09:17.809+0000) > > Playing with an Omega Squad Fizz on my team, the biggest thing I noticed was how scary the max range dolphin was. I guess it might be that shark is pretty cartoony in the other skins, but there is something about that dolphin that is a lot more menacing than all of his other skins. > > I heard someone say in chat that the new passive indicator doesn&#x27;t work on minions, although I didn&#x27;t pay enough attention to it myself. Hehehe good, everyone should fear the Battle Dolphin! :P Ooh, the passive indicator not appearing on minions is definitely a bug, but it should be fixed now! Or by tomorrow at least. ;]
At first I watched the preview video without sound and I thought it was a crocodile. Still, i love the style of Fizz' ult, did you have Metal Slug in mind when designing it? https://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/metalslug/images/1/1c/00932.gif/revision/latest?cb=20090604213312
: It can be if there is enough time/bandwidth permitting. The Chroma teams is small and scrappy, we have to prioritize wisely in order to get more quality Chromas with more skin variety to Players. To ensure the quality of each Chroma, we concept out the Chroma, make the textures, integrated to the game and QA for every change/Chroma color. This is when we make the tough call to make changes or not, because though we truly do want to seize the opportunity, it may mean we have to cut out certain Chroma sets. But don't be discouraged! We look at every feedback and take them with us along our journey with Chromas! We will definitely look more closely at details and provide variations for them. To be honest, we don't have much of a formula yet and we are discovering new ways to play around with the designs every single day :)
I see that chromas are getting better and better, keep it up ^^
: [CLOSED] PBE Bugs & Feedback Thread: Omega Squad Veigar!
Hello! I really like this skin but I'll let the other users praise it, I wanted to comment on two abilities that are quite a bit different than what I expected: Q and R. For Q I was at least expecting him to shoot it from his gun, why did you chose to instead make the remote disappear and shoot the projectile from the hand? And his R... what is it supposed to be? Why is he putting away the gun and the remote and... poops out that blue thing? I'm sorry, but I really don't understand what it should represent (except some kind of energy) :/ ps: ok, i can't talk about this skin without saying how awesome his W and E are, gg! :D
: Hey PatMax and Paper! I agree that the bracelets and tattoos could have been changed--I think, in all honesty, it was just a missed opportunity from us. We do certainly want to make sure that the champions are still recognizable and embody the personas that they are meant to have originally. But for the portions you're referring to, there certainly was opportunity there to play around with them a little, and we missed them. For future Chromas, we'll try better to be more thorough on all the opportunities to make them even better! Thanks for your feedback!
Hi Orphyre, welcome back to the boards :) Thanks for listening, it's awesome to se the quality bar of chromas get higher and higher every patch, keep it up! :D As for feedback on the tattoos: is this kind of feedback something you could implement while the chromas are on PBE, if told early enough, or isn't there enough time since release on PBE? How is the best way to leave feedback on these kind of changes for chromas?
: PBE Bugs & Feedback Thread: Pool Party Chromas!
Hi katey! Not much of a feedback here, but rather a question: I like these chromas a lot, can't wait for them to go on sale :D I especially like the experimentation you are doing e.g. with Graves' mankini or fiora's different bathsuit designs. I see you didn't touch her upper arm cuff\* and her tattoo. Is there a specific reason? It could be interesting to see variation on those too, maybe one chroma has an hibiscus tattooed on the leg, or a dolphin; or one chroma could no cuff. You *did* change Graves' necklace, and I guess the effort would be similar. Not saying you should do it, I'm just wondering why for some details you chose to change the design, and for others not. Is the cuff or the tattoo particulary important for the skin? Is it something that identifies the champion? \* not sure it's called like that in english, i'm blindly trusting google here ^^'
: Hi Paris! As always, thanks for popping in and leaving some feedback! <3 The bubble around an enemy was intended not to be yellow, as to avoid confusion with a Kayle ult! That said, I'm open to any ideas you may have on how to change things up, without obscuring gameplay. :) Since she's still a fish, we did want to maintain the watery aspect, and focused around adding some gold glitter bits to spells. For what the spell does, imo at least, the empowered AA shouldn't be too loud, as compared to something like her heal. I'd be curious to hear your thoughts! That's good feedback to note surrounding the ult. Having too much gold in a lane-wide wave would be a bit jarring, imo, but I'll talk to the team and see if there's something that could be done to spruce it up! WHICH BRINGS ME TO YOUR NEXT POI...holy shit, hahaha. Only slightly. ;) I'm glad you're in the right mindspace for this type of feedback. THE RECALL THO, RIGHT?! I'd say let's lane together, but only one of us can pick Nami, and I'm going to be real and tell you up front that I'm a garbage tier Jhin. :P
> I'd say let's lane together, but only one of us can pick Nami All for one when? :D
: Thanks for the suggestion! For more context, Riven and Yasuo are not the embodiment of Good or Evil, nor are they angel and demon: they're actually all-powerful harbingers of Order and Chaos. Also, as a heads-up, the teaser image was actually an old asset that was never meant to be shown, and the design has changed a bit since then!
I think the names are confusing: if they are centered around order/chaos, why call them dawn/night bringer? As pointed out, it has a lot of similarity with the cosmic skins (but these are another theme). I'd go with something simpler, clearer and more stupid, like Champion of Order Riven and Champion of Chaos Yasuo, or Exemplar, or Deva, even Angel
: Thanks for the question/suggestion. We are currently starting with supporting traditional events which are on for a short time frame and few missions, so you can't "decline" a mission as we would have no other mission to replace it. Also, we don't want you to have to spend tons of time deciding on which mission you should do, so we don't focus you to opt in to them. If a mission is active you can make progress on it. That being said we don't want you to feel like you have to grind out a mission. We want them to challenge your skills not how many games you can get through. I do love the idea of more variety in the type of missions we can support so that there are some awesome one for everyone. Aslo, for more info on the design philosophy check out the [design post on it by Revenancer ](http://nexus.leagueoflegends.com/2017/05/dev-on-missions/)(shameless plug)
Oh, so missions here aren't intended like the daily missions on e.g. heartstone, but rather an in-client system to support events like the recent Singularity? (that's fine for me, I still wonder If I managed to unlock both summoner icons for Singularity, I only got one and I'm beginning to doubt I made both missions)
: > [{quoted}](name=Moineau,realm=PBE,application-id=cMKtzQHY,discussion-id=btAZTOzT,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-05-17T06:44:35.722+0000) > > Hey not a complaint comment at all. I&#x27;m more just curious if you had any input on this- > > Trynd has two 975 skins. This one is on the high end of a 975 skin. It&#x27;s loaded! Sfx and vfx on everything. But it makes the rarer and legacy Warring Kingdoms skin feel even more out of place cause it has nothing but a unique recall (a beard stroke). It already feels out of place cause all the other WK skins are loaded now even on simpler animation champs (Garens green dragon swag). > > I guess I&#x27;m just wondering if there are plans to do a pass at some of those older champs skins like WK Trynd. Because right now he feels like he should be a 520 skin in comparison. > > The older, simpler (especially auto-attack based champs) are looking pretty old. Like the skins on Udyr. But he has an ultimate skin, so at least there&#x27;s some scaling there. Most of Trynds old skins just look like new models. Since he already doesn&#x27;t have many animations, all those skins feel bad to buy because they literally get nothing other than the new model and it&#x27;s auto-attack animation. This hextech skin is great cause it shows how you took very little animations and still made a theme. The chicken change is great. > > Do you kind of see what I&#x27;m getting at? Hiya, Moineau! Thanks so much for the feedback, and I definitely understand what you're getting at here. Like you mentioned with your WK Tryndamere example, there are many older skins that just feel a little lacking in comparison to our newer skins, simply because back then we just weren't as good, didn't have as much resources, and our tooling wasn't as robust. We are definitely making efforts to revamp some old skins (like the recent Pulsefire Ezreal improvements), but with so many skins that fall into that category of old-and-needing-a-makeover, we have to make crucial decisions about how we allocate resources because taking work and time to change older skins means that we lose those resources for future skins and also run the risk of losing the vintage-cool factor that some players like. However, with all this said, everything you mentioned is definitely on our radar! There are no specific plans that I know of at the moment, but nothing is out of the question!
I'm going a bit off-topic here, but what if you re-priced some of the oldest skins from time to time? You already do this for champs, lowering the price on 1-2 older champs with each release, could it be an option to bring the price of older skins on-par with modern standards? (another question would be what to do with old low-tier skins for champs that got a VGU, Emerald Taric and Enchanted Galio for example pack tons of value in their low RP prices ;)) Thanks!
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