: > [{quoted}](name=SwishFish,realm=PBE,application-id=2EAF660193FA3B668D7234B3AEBB530C5AB7F651,discussion-id=KhcvQBlG,comment-id=00a0,timestamp=2015-09-03T09:34:03.838+0000) > > So Morde gets his solo W back, pretty nice, but for some reason doesn't really make me hyped to play him again...I kinda still feel like good old Morde is dead, I want the old E back and old R (The drake is ridiculous and the damage buff on Ghost is diminished), the new Q makes it a little more versatile and the damage potential skyrocketed, but I liked the old one better since it was much more consistent. > So I definitely like the old Morde better, the problems for him were nothing you could not cope with, even in really high elo were Morde players who could carry the game. > I skipped Plat IV by playing him, this might not be high elo, but Mordekaiser was by no means too weak to play. > > The W change is nice and maybe it is the beginning for a proper Rework...one can dream I guess. The old Morde was fun for us, yes... but the reason they changed Mordekaiser was because he was unhealthy. And no, I'm not using what the dev's are referring to as unhealthy, we know not everything they say matches what we feel. The fact was, any buffs to Mordekaiser made him an even worse lane bully, you might not have minded playing as him in mid lane, but I guarantee everyone hated facing Mordekaiser unless you were Swain, Cassiopeia, Malzahar, or Heimerdinger, because otherwise you were getting shafted and needing to have your lane camped the entire laning phase. It was either unfun for you as the jungler babysat your opponent's lane, or unfun for your opponent as you pushed without giving a damn about anyone else, either way someone was going to be absolutely miserable. You know how people complain about Riven, Vayne, Fizz, etc.? A lot of people would have spammed the forums hating Mordekaiser if he had gotten buffed beyond what was his current power pre-rework. Back then, he was a bully, but his weaknesses were just enough to make him balanced, which was why Riot couldn't ever buff him. Remember Mordekaiser when he was released? The guy could legitimately win 1v5s like it was nobodies business, they could never let him get past a certain nerf portioned of existence because of Mordekaiser's power if he were to ever reach true viability. The same issue with Poppy, her kit would make her broken beyond belief if people could make it work consistently enough, so they kept her always from being viable by mainstream league play. I loved Morde, he was my main, but I am an objective person, and a lot of the people who cry for old Morde want him back because he was broken inherently, and wanted him in his old form in the hopes he would be buffed in THAT iteration. That was so that they could aspire to the damage he could case like he could deal at initial release... so basically they want to play with a champion who would likely get Juggernaut Skarner's win rate, if his pre-rework kit had been meaningfully buffed in any way. I have to be honest, a lot of people hate Riven because she is relentlessly oppressive and mobile. Well, buffing pre-rework Mordekaiser beyond a marginal amount would likely be as troublesome as buffing Riven, because their kits make them inherently broken and hard to balance. You have to accept that if they completely reverted Mordekaiser to his pre-rework status, he would remain the same exact way forever, because he was too broken to balance effectively, and only his vulnerability to kiting and cc and lack of mobility and cc of his own was what left him arguably balanced.
Yes, I do remember the old Morde, while I wasn't much of a competitive player at that time and everyone I played with did not really know all that much about the game yet I didn't mind Morde as he was, even though I never played him then. However looking back it was the obvious course of action to nerf him. I really don't want Mordekaiser to be overpowered, in fact I found joy in being the underestimated champion with a little lower win chance than you would call balanced from that information alone. It is satisfying to change people's opinion on your champ, when they are already whining in champ select for example. This was just a little extra of course as I mostly liked the playstyle of his. I refuse to believe balancing the old Mordekaiser effectivley is impossible, while I personally have to admit I did not give it that much thought yet I am sure the Morde community has many ideas to fix him up a little without distorting him.
: Mordekaiser Change Summary & Feedback Thread
So Morde gets his solo W back, pretty nice, but for some reason doesn't really make me hyped to play him again...I kinda still feel like good old Morde is dead, I want the old E back and old R (The drake is ridiculous and the damage buff on Ghost is diminished), the new Q makes it a little more versatile and the damage potential skyrocketed, but I liked the old one better since it was much more consistent. So I definitely like the old Morde better, the problems for him were nothing you could not cope with, even in really high elo were Morde players who could carry the game. I skipped Plat IV by playing him, this might not be high elo, but Mordekaiser was by no means too weak to play. The W change is nice and maybe it is the beginning for a proper Rework...one can dream I guess.
: Well, it isnt that E's range is shorter. It was actually increased from 650 to 675. However, what happened is that it got a bug-fix. You know how Darius could pull people that flashed? It was the same thing with Mord's E. As long as you are inside the ability's range when he is starting to cast it, you couldnt evade it. Thats why hitting max range E's during chases was so easy. Now that this is fixed, however, you are rarely going to actually land it from higher ranges. I basically quit the game since the last patch was released, and will only return when Mordekaiser is fixed. Reverting the rework is unlikely to happen, but a few tweaks that makes him more playable/Mord-Like would be quite welcome.
Ah I see, yes coupled with the decrease of the movementspeed that makes sense. He is so easy to outplay, I can't believe they did nothing in 5.17!
: Eh, the stuff that didnt get mentioned can be mostly found on this, such as the new Base Attack Speed, the Ghost duration and E's range/bug-fix changes. The Ultimate nerf is nowhere in sight though, it went from 850 to 650 range. I'll let you know when i make the thread in a few hours.
Yes! I knew it! the E felt so short! I don't even know anymore, he just went from fav champ to I don't even care if he exists. I really want Mordekaiser back :(
: What even is the fucking point of picking Mordekaiser now? Regardless of what he does, dozens of champions will do the same thing better. Going AD Bruiser bot? Pick Irelia/Wukong/Darius/Lee/Shyvana/Garen/etc instead, do insane amounts of damage while building only one damage item while being twice as tanky and three times as mobile. AP Bruiser? Rumble/Swain/Maokai/Vlad/Mundo/etc all laugh because Mord's shield generation is so bad he cant tank anywhere near as well as them, has zero CC, is more immobile them, all while losing the few advantages he actually had (Better burst, pushing). Full AP Glass Cannon is out-classed by literally every other mage in the game. Same thing for going full AD. Full Tank is better done by actual tanks. Devourer Jungle? LOL. And that makes it even worse. I see a lot of people throwing idea builds that look decent on paper, then you compare it to dozens of champions that build similarily while doing the same thing but better. New Mord has no niche, no defined role, no good build path, his core is incredibly expensive (Needs Rylai + Tier 2 Boots + Something else before you can even think of doing anything) and no Metal on his god damn effects. All while becoming even more binary than before (Can i Q you in 3 seconds? I win). But hey, his current ranked win-rate across every single server is below 47% (Going as low as 42 on Brazil), except for low elo Korea, so maybe he will get something that makes him useful soon. Also, amusingly enough, the patch notes didnt mention several changes on his kit/base stats. I'll make a thread about that once i get unbanned, because the sheer amount of information that didnt get mentioned at all is completely absurd.
I was looking at the wins platinum+ and as "adc" he has 56% (pretty damn good!) and the "viable" solo lane has 41% (top) and 39% (mid), it looks like the kit for duo lane is really strong after all (not if he supps though). Not like this changes anything...top lane is just completely horrible to play, totally no fun at all. Also instead of making him more diverse and giving him more options on how to play out situations it just seems even more simplistic. Please make that Thread! I am really interested what they kept secret.
: > [{quoted}](name=SwishFish,realm=PBE,application-id=2EAF660193FA3B668D7234B3AEBB530C5AB7F651,discussion-id=KhcvQBlG,comment-id=009800000001000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2015-08-21T09:46:35.217+0000) > > By no means would I go bot with him, it's just that the pros have some impact on the meta, > it's that string of hope i'm clinging to. > > So we got a little kid who does what he wants and as soon as he hears negative feedback is nowhere to be found. Great. Is there no one else we can turn to?! Surely there is a Rioter taking feedback seriously and anyone reading this thread has to see how much discontent these changes triggered. I thought I heard someone tell me a rioter said the feedback for Morde was 1 negative feedback for every two good feedback. What? I've seen 6 or 7 examples of positive feedback for it on this thread, what the hell? Are they talking about Rioters that tested it in alpha? Does that mean that our opinions don't matter because we aren't Rioters?
Wow, hopefully that isn't true. Would like to see an official statement for once, apparently too much to ask for, though.
: > [{quoted}](name=SwishFish,realm=PBE,application-id=2EAF660193FA3B668D7234B3AEBB530C5AB7F651,discussion-id=KhcvQBlG,comment-id=0098000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2015-08-20T18:34:36.754+0000) > > I have spectated some pro games and not even once was the morde on bot, always top. > Maybe the pros have some more influence than we have. > I am sure old morde won't be back, but I still hope solo morde will get a push again. > If just the w gets changed in favor of solo lanes again, I could live with that. > Well some movementspeed would be nice as well, he is so slow now (not like he was fast lol). If the pros suddenly decreed that Morde duo was the best way to play him now, I still wouldn't. That's not what Mordekaiser is supposed to be. I don't care what anybody says, Morde was NOT supposed to be a duo laner, and you will never see me outside of top lane with him if I decide I like him enough to actually keep playing it. I tried to be understanding of this unreasonable change to what Mordekaiser is at his core, hoping that the process of PBE Feedback would take it's course and Morde would get changes that catered to a more Sololane-centric kit, like he was originally designed as in the first place. What I saw was every small complement being addressed in a timely fashion and all of the negative feedback that COULD have gone towards making Morde feel better for the die-hard fans of him like you and me go totally ignored! I read up on the Garen thread, there was a small complaint concerning Garen being slowed by one of his own abilities when it does damage to something.** It. Got.** _**Removed.**_ It was** removed** as a mechanic from his kit, and that was the end of it. What the actual hell!? Why was the negative feedback addressed on that thread?! Why do our voices not matter but the Garen player's voices do?! Thanks. I'm happy to see the voices that decry the perceived bad changes to Garen outweigh the voices that begged for better changes to Morde.
By no means would I go bot with him, it's just that the pros have some impact on the meta, it's that string of hope i'm clinging to. So we got a little kid who does what he wants and as soon as he hears negative feedback is nowhere to be found. Great. Is there no one else we can turn to?! Surely there is a Rioter taking feedback seriously and anyone reading this thread has to see how much discontent these changes triggered.
: One that did well? Not really. Even the times he won lane, he couldnt really help his team because he cant team fight for shit now (Simply not tanky enough to get in Q range and not die horribly), and his wave-clear got deleted.
I have spectated some pro games and not even once was the morde on bot, always top. Maybe the pros have some more influence than we have. I am sure old morde won't be back, but I still hope solo morde will get a push again. If just the w gets changed in favor of solo lanes again, I could live with that. Well some movementspeed would be nice as well, he is so slow now (not like he was fast lol).
: > [{quoted}](name=Matezoide,realm=PBE,application-id=2EAF660193FA3B668D7234B3AEBB530C5AB7F651,discussion-id=KhcvQBlG,comment-id=009800000001,timestamp=2015-08-20T06:18:04.497+0000) > > Is he even the Master of Metal now? > > Q is just a generic mace attack, as opposed to old that sent metal flying to hit enemies. E changed from a huge ass mace-from-the-ground into generic-Shadow-Isles-Wind (And dont even get me started on the new icon). W's effect might as well be invisible. Passive's icon is now a force-field, which has the standard Shadow Isles color in-game. > > > > > His title is completely out-dated now, **none** of his abilites use Metal. > > > Also dat downvote fairy lol "We wanted to solidify his identity on the rift"; Removes almost all aspects of his identity
I haven't played ranked yet, but so far I won my lanes (top) clearly, though this is just because the players don't know to avoid mordes Q, especially the third, the damage is insane, but it feels so different to play him. You have 2 Spells to use, that is kinda boring, but i'm mostly dissatisfied that your waveclear and shieldgeneration suffered that much. I loved to win trades by standing in the enemy minions. Regardless I am really thankful to you guys for standing up for our favorite metalman, too bad we are too insignificant :/ Did anyone see a Morde that did well on bot though? I did not, well i guess you need a good supp with nice cc for him to get dmg out.
: Mordekaiser Change Summary & Feedback Thread
I don't even know what this so-called "Feedback Thread" was supposed to be. Frankly I felt let down after you refused to hear us out, but I still hoped it could still be changed, well now it's going live. Thanks a lot. For nothing. I can't even tell you how disappointed i am in you, Morde needed some love, that much is for sure, but you butchered him! And put what's left of him into a pile of useless scrapmetal. I can not fathom how you even got that absurd idea to make a complete solo laner into a duo laner. You say he is still viable in a solo lane, but clearly he won't with a missing spell, even if q and e get buffed. I see many people enjoying this rework, but they never gave a damn about Mordekaiser anyway, I as a Morde main can say for sure that you have killed my favorite champion. You are probably too conceited to admit your mistakes, whatever, but at least take notice of the community when you are killing off the next champ.

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