: Odyssey Jinx looks like her face had a texture slapped on it
Oh and BTW, her R's explosion is really out of place and weak compared to her other ultimates Where's the smiley face explosion? Cmon Riot I really wanna buy this skin but I can't buy it if it's that lazily put together. Rest of the stuff about her is great but this stuff is REALLY distracting!
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: > [{quoted}](name=PixTron,realm=PBE,application-id=AYQh7p7O,discussion-id=POgqE10E,comment-id=0034000d,timestamp=2018-03-11T06:44:25.005+0000) > > How do you NOT understand what we meant by Base? > > If all 4 styles have similar animations, that's absolutely fine. > > What gives Riot the thought that lowering the price of Gun Goddess Miss Fortune by $3 of RP (in the US at least) for _no custom animations_ on her Idle ( https://imgur.com/WniVZ1x ), Attack ( https://imgur.com/a7xOdvM ), her Q ( https://imgur.com/ifY0FUZ ) and Walk > ( https://i.imgur.com/KOzzDsj.gif ) animations. > > (gifs courtesy of LastDreamy's post, > > https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/82iu8o/gun_goddess_mf_shouldnt_be_ultimate_and_here_is/ > > A post you also purposely ignored) > > Meanwhile other Ultimate Skins such as [Elementalist Lux](https://i.imgur.com/OaAQjUP.gifv) have completely different idle animations. > > Really? 2775 RP is much higher than 1820 RP. I don't know why Riot's Skin Team does not understand this at all. > > Star Guardian Ahri costs 1820 RP, 955 RP, nearly $10 cheaper than the Ultimate Skin and it has a [completely overhauled animation run cycle](https://i.imgur.com/mgHIXYD.gifv) > > Also how dare you take our questions out of context? What gives you the right to think that by Base we meant the Blue GGMF? No one says Base like that. > > You're a liar and I hope your company suffers for this act. That is the point. We want different animations from MF classic, but don't need to be custom animations for each form of the skin. This is too hard to do? Riot did that in previous legendaries and ultimates, why didn't with ggmf? No, this won't confuse us and we won't think that MF is other champion. Please, do something about it riot. I'm sure that just this changes also turn the skin good for a lot of players. I really liked the current splash art, the VO in my language and all vfx/sfx. Different animations is the only thing that all the players agree that is missing.
Yeah. And it's even more frustrating _because MF has different animations of her Ult *for each form*_ not to mention she also has a different animation on her W. They are totally lying about this.
: Hiii, friends! Thank you all so much for leaving your feedback here and elsewhere! Everyone on the team is reading through the comments. Sorry for taking so long to respond here. As you can expect out of a tech-intensive skin like GGMF, there are a lot of bugs. o_O I don't get to make the decisions here, but I can act as an advisory source of information and at least bring these points to the decision-makers. With all that said, I wanted to provide a bit of context on some of the common points brought up in this thread (and other online sources). **"WTF is up with her face and neck in the splash art?!"** * You can expect to see an update to this in the next PBE deploy! Hopefully the changes feel better to ya'll. **"Her VO doesn't sound like Miss Fortune! And why all the sexual lines?"** * Unfortunately, we couldn't get base MF's voice actress for this skin, so that was unavoidable. As for all the sexualized lines, we actually got that same feedback during the process to tone down the seductive lines and add more of that fierce Captain Fortune vibe, so we ended up adding in more "vicious" and "cutthroat" lines for events that tend to play more often (e.g. Long Move, Attack). We honestly feel good about the current state of her VO in regards to capturing MF in this universe. **"These forms look like _chromas_, change the models!"** * Unfortunately, there are limitations that prevent us from changing the models at this stage. We can make minor tweaks to the textures however. **"Why does the jetpack VFX blink?"** * With the way the VFX is set up to play from the animation, this is an unavoidable side-effect. We managed to make this a little less noticeable at least! **"The animations are way too close to base!"** * Keeping the animations fairly close to base was a concession that we had to make early on in development. If a marksman is going to be able to transform an unlimited amount of times throughout the game with varying particles (as well as a very different silhouette with her shoulder-pieces, exo-suit, and guns), we have to make tough choices to keep consistency with Base MF in several areas to maintain the MF read. **"Change the in-game portraits to match with the splash!"** * There aren't any plans to do this at the moment, but I can check with the team and see what they think. If we can leverage Elementalist Lux's tech and iterate on the splash easily, then there's a possibility, but the timeline is still super tight. **"Bring her back into production and re-release her at the typical Ultimate skin price."** * Mr. Cactopus addressed that [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/82pel6/riot_should_bring_back_gun_goddess_mf_in/dvbvyiu/). **"Change her VO lines to be different per form."** * She actually does have unique VO lines per form! Currently, we don't plan on expanding the current list of unique VO lines. **"There's a super annoying bug where she appears at the edge of the Fog of War!"** * This should be fixed now!
How do you NOT understand what we meant by Base? If all 4 styles have similar animations, that's absolutely fine. What gives Riot the thought that lowering the price of Gun Goddess Miss Fortune by $3 of RP (in the US at least) for _no custom animations_ on her Idle ( https://imgur.com/WniVZ1x ), Attack ( https://imgur.com/a7xOdvM ), her Q ( https://imgur.com/ifY0FUZ ) and Walk ( https://i.imgur.com/KOzzDsj.gif ) animations. (gifs courtesy of LastDreamy's post, https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/82iu8o/gun_goddess_mf_shouldnt_be_ultimate_and_here_is/ A post you also purposely ignored) Meanwhile other Ultimate Skins such as [Elementalist Lux](https://i.imgur.com/OaAQjUP.gifv) have completely different idle animations. Really? 2775 RP is much higher than 1820 RP. I don't know why Riot's Skin Team does not understand this at all. Star Guardian Ahri costs 1820 RP, 955 RP, nearly $10 cheaper than the Ultimate Skin and it has a [completely overhauled animation run cycle](https://i.imgur.com/mgHIXYD.gifv) Also how dare you take our questions out of context? What gives you the right to think that by Base we meant the Blue GGMF? No one says Base like that. You're a liar and I hope your company suffers for this act.
: Your Pizza analogy makes 0 sense. it implies that you'll get something completely different to what you bought but you aren't, you know what it looks like and buy it for what it is. If your argument Is that it doesn't meet up to your expectations of an "ultimate skin" then fair enough. in this case its like them advertising this as a new pizza but instead tell you that because this one isn't as nice as the other pizzas it costs a bit less.
Its about waiting for a New Ultimate Skin. "Time is money, friend!" -The one Goblin Quote that Blizzard ignores in a Lootbox argument
: Before I rip some of what you say to parts, I will say that this is a GREAT Miss Fortune Skin. I love the idea, I love a lot about the skin. The voice actress is kinda close to the old voice actress (it's like with Lux's, I assumed it was just age that made the voice different). Its super neat.... HOWEVER, you and Cactopuss are using absurd excuses for the fuckups. Which is what Riot as a whole did in 2016, and that turned out horribly. With that, here is some huge bullshit. 1. Cactopuss' point was already countered severely before he even made the comment. Why just point to him when the community suggests a better idea to help the company? If I were to order Pepperoni Pizza, and I get a Pizza with no cheese or pepperonis, but I can pay $7 instead of $10, its a shitty business practice and it makes no God-damn sense. 2. > is going to be able to transform an unlimited amount of times throughout the game with varying particles (as well as a very different silhouette with her shoulder-pieces, exo-suit, and guns), we have to make tough choices to keep consistency with Base MF in several areas to maintain the MF read. I can change my DJ Sona form as many times as I want ingame. The animations are vastly different. There is no real excuse other than you basically saying "we're lazy af right now, we might as well not". And, no, lowering the price by $3 does not excuse this. At all. 2.5 DJ Sona released and was cheaper than GGMF. The animations and effects are pretty different (at least for a 2015 skin). So, again, the $3 price lowering is pure bullshit. Also: This isn't exactly aimed directly at you, _**but do the higher-ups at Riot condone this business practice?**_ They gave you a small time constraint to _half-ass_ an Ultimate skin?
Not only that, but they'd rather you and Cactopuss be thrown under the bus while they count their money? That's some really nasty practice there. If I were you, I'd be cynical about this.
: Hiii, friends! Thank you all so much for leaving your feedback here and elsewhere! Everyone on the team is reading through the comments. Sorry for taking so long to respond here. As you can expect out of a tech-intensive skin like GGMF, there are a lot of bugs. o_O I don't get to make the decisions here, but I can act as an advisory source of information and at least bring these points to the decision-makers. With all that said, I wanted to provide a bit of context on some of the common points brought up in this thread (and other online sources). **"WTF is up with her face and neck in the splash art?!"** * You can expect to see an update to this in the next PBE deploy! Hopefully the changes feel better to ya'll. **"Her VO doesn't sound like Miss Fortune! And why all the sexual lines?"** * Unfortunately, we couldn't get base MF's voice actress for this skin, so that was unavoidable. As for all the sexualized lines, we actually got that same feedback during the process to tone down the seductive lines and add more of that fierce Captain Fortune vibe, so we ended up adding in more "vicious" and "cutthroat" lines for events that tend to play more often (e.g. Long Move, Attack). We honestly feel good about the current state of her VO in regards to capturing MF in this universe. **"These forms look like _chromas_, change the models!"** * Unfortunately, there are limitations that prevent us from changing the models at this stage. We can make minor tweaks to the textures however. **"Why does the jetpack VFX blink?"** * With the way the VFX is set up to play from the animation, this is an unavoidable side-effect. We managed to make this a little less noticeable at least! **"The animations are way too close to base!"** * Keeping the animations fairly close to base was a concession that we had to make early on in development. If a marksman is going to be able to transform an unlimited amount of times throughout the game with varying particles (as well as a very different silhouette with her shoulder-pieces, exo-suit, and guns), we have to make tough choices to keep consistency with Base MF in several areas to maintain the MF read. **"Change the in-game portraits to match with the splash!"** * There aren't any plans to do this at the moment, but I can check with the team and see what they think. If we can leverage Elementalist Lux's tech and iterate on the splash easily, then there's a possibility, but the timeline is still super tight. **"Bring her back into production and re-release her at the typical Ultimate skin price."** * Mr. Cactopus addressed that [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/82pel6/riot_should_bring_back_gun_goddess_mf_in/dvbvyiu/). **"Change her VO lines to be different per form."** * She actually does have unique VO lines per form! Currently, we don't plan on expanding the current list of unique VO lines. **"There's a super annoying bug where she appears at the edge of the Fog of War!"** * This should be fixed now!
Before I rip some of what you say to parts, I will say that this is a GREAT Miss Fortune Skin. I love the idea, I love a lot about the skin. The voice actress is kinda close to the old voice actress (it's like with Lux's, I assumed it was just age that made the voice different). Its super neat.... HOWEVER, you and Cactopuss are using absurd excuses for the fuckups. Which is what Riot as a whole did in 2016, and that turned out horribly. With that, here is some huge bullshit. 1. Cactopuss' point was already countered severely before he even made the comment. Why just point to him when the community suggests a better idea to help the company? If I were to order Pepperoni Pizza, and I get a Pizza with no cheese or pepperonis, but I can pay $7 instead of $10, its a shitty business practice and it makes no God-damn sense. 2. > is going to be able to transform an unlimited amount of times throughout the game with varying particles (as well as a very different silhouette with her shoulder-pieces, exo-suit, and guns), we have to make tough choices to keep consistency with Base MF in several areas to maintain the MF read. I can change my DJ Sona form as many times as I want ingame. The animations are vastly different. There is no real excuse other than you basically saying "we're lazy af right now, we might as well not". And, no, lowering the price by $3 does not excuse this. At all. 2.5 DJ Sona released and was cheaper than GGMF. The animations and effects are pretty different (at least for a 2015 skin). So, again, the $3 price lowering is pure bullshit. Also: This isn't exactly aimed directly at you, _**but do the higher-ups at Riot condone this business practice?**_ They gave you a small time constraint to _half-ass_ an Ultimate skin?
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: Yep saw it a lil ago, it's honestly sad that they just flat out refuse to try I mean it's not like their whole work and resources already used would be gone but just improved so it hits 3250 quality but nah. I mean even cutting the skin into 4 legendary skin would be better than the ultimate release.
Yeah and it's not like they had, like, 17 fucking months to come up with this or anything... **_OH WAIT_**
: Overall, I like the skin but it needs some improvement. VFX aren't pizza-y enough. For instance, on her ult, you could throw the corresponding toppings into its trail as she runs. SFX definitely aren't pizza-y enough either. Too strident and metallic. Order a pizza at the office tomorrow, throw a piece in someone's face and take reference for SFX from that. Should be more... squishy.
Not a bad idea for referencing, actually. Problem is that freshly baked can result in burn injuries. XD
: PBE Bugs & Feedback Thread: Pizza Delivery Sivir!
The skin is absolutely amazing! But can you remove the smaller black socks? They look really off from the skin as a whole. They also make the chromas really weird. Would be awesome if you guys did that! Thanks! {{sticker:sg-miss-fortune}}
: Hello! I made a reddit [thread here that got some attention](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/82iu8o/gun_goddess_mf_shouldnt_be_ultimate_and_here_is/) but as i tested the skin and updated my feedback constantly, here are some bonus feedback along the reddit commentary : - As i stated in the thread, it would have been far better if the idles for each form were a lot different than what they are currently, to add variety (it feels too base MF). - The ultimate has a unique animation shooting for each form, this is great, why isn't that the case for all abilities? She has 4 different weapons, no way she uses them the same way. Prove the people those are more than just chromas - Her portrait **needs** to change to adapt to her form, her hair color is different. You did that for Lux, you don't need the full splashes just the icon, please do consider. - Her particles for Q and E are soooooo light, i can barely see them sometimes, they really need more contrast or opacity, especially on white exo. - Again on the "chroma" topic, i feel like the majority would prefer if each exo had more unique design details than just weapons. Hats, Helmets, Sigils, anything that isn't just colors. And i'm talking model wise, not VFX. - On another topic, she doesn't have facial animations? Cmon...some champs do and some champs don't, it's totally random, but this is a one in a year skin... - I guess because of clarity, no way to make the walking animation different too based on the suit? At least the auto attack animation since different weapons. Let's be honest tho here, a lot of people agree the walking with passive looks like Vi because of the mecha hands up so, there goes clarity. - Again on the issue with models, it doesn't help that the color pattern for 3 of them is pratically the same [here](https://puu.sh/zCyNa/ff63a60847.png). Four forms and red/ash white/dark blue are a thing in 3 of those... - You guys ruined the hopes and dreams of all MF mains who waited and wanted a more serious VO to fit her real background. We ended up with juvenile sex jokes yet again... **Overall it just doesn't feel like a huge upgrade to MF like other Ultimate Skins did to their champions back then. The particles are too light and thin in a way they feel impactless. Her VO is uninteresting, trying to be badass but fails to make you listen (no real good lore, stupid catchphrases). Her movements are WAY too similar to base MF and along the familiar VO theme it ruins the feeling of a ultimate skin. And most of all of course, the models being too similar in forms and shape is the biggest issue of all. I'm not rediscovering MF here like i did with Lux or Udyr, i'm just seeing base MF in a suit. ** Three solutions as i see it : - Pull back the skin for a while, make it worth it for everyone in a way they'll blow their minds off. Screw the price, we'd pay 4k if each form is valuable. My reddit thread got 5k upvotes and on more than 900 comments i've read a lot of constructive comments saying the same things i do. Make a poll, try the people, they don't like it, don't force it on them. - Release it as it is with some minor tweaks, adopt a new skin tier and let the shitstorm evaporate while the design team lives with the guilt that they couldn't accomplish a special skin with passion when a majority found it to be underwhelming. Let's be honest here, the skin was very badly recieved and this isn't personal, i'm spending dailies on boards and reddit and other networks and the feedback is not looking good. - Bruteforce a lot of notable changes on PBE for these 2 weeks to come and delay a week if needed while bumping the price back to 3250 if you see fit depending on the tweaks. A good compromise to tell everyone you're listening and trying to do the best thing. *On a personal note guys, i've been around since season 2...i've seen a lot of this company's sides and most of the time i can say it was amazing and generous. I know how you work, i know what deadlines are, i remember the struggle iZac had for compact VFX on Lux, i have few hopes for big changes here but if anything i think the community will be relieved for the most part if they see anything happen. The connotation for a ultimate skin implies huge expectations.* *PS : had some issues with edits not saving but it should be ok now*
Too bad that Riot will just ignore the actual criticism and will just want to go with the "Yes" people in the office. Why can't they put you on the Skin Team?
: PBE Bugs & Feedback Thread: Ambitious Elf Jinx!
I still think Jinx needs white and red thigh socks just like Candy Cane Katarina. They fit this skin much better. Just having pant-leggings is still really boring and Jinx is more of a thigh-socks person (literally shown in all of her skins). Please change it to that when you can! I hope its not too much of a big deal!
: PBE Bugs & Feedback Thread: Ambitious Elf Jinx!
Hey Lovestruck! I already made a big post on this so I'll keep this one a bit brief: The skin is amazing! However, her model's textures [specifically the legs] are a bit disappointing. Though her weapons are pretty cool (although Fishbones' is a bit lackluster but that's alright), there's one aspect you missed: The rest of Jinx's skins cover one aspect perfectly: _Thigh stockings and boots_ (for Mafia it's heels, but that's not the point). Why does Jinx get pant leggings? Pant leggings are really, **really** boring for a crazy Christmas outfit. Why cant it be exciting? I thought Jinx was supposed to be the embodiment of Exciting and Not-Boring clothing. Honestly, in my unprofessional opinion, it's really just a texture change. If a couple people can make you guys change a texture of Hearthseeker Quinn, then I think changing the leg textures of AE Jinx shouldn't be a huge problem for you guys, hopefully! -A big fan of Jinx (I wouldn't call myself a main but she's definitely a top pick for me and I literally have all of her skins) {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}} Edit: Clarification 2nd Edit: It does slightly look like she has some sort of leggings. But they still seem like Pant Leggings. Can it only be on her thighs and have them white and red like Katarinas?
: (a bit Clickbaity) Ambitious Elf Jinx's model is a bit dissapointing
I see there's a lot of viewers! Ty for the views guys. I hope some of you are Rioters that can fix this issue!
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