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: He also has a lower Q cooldown. Which makes a much bigger difference than doing an extra 72 damage at best. Once you factor in resistance and the critical strike damage reduction.
It's pretty obvious you don't know what the fuck Shaco does and how he's played. so your opinion is as irrevelant as phreak's opinion on ADCs.
: PBE Shaco changes discussion
It's a massive nerf, but the low elo morons who don't play the champion keeps claiming it's a buff when it's not even close. The Q CD is a buff, but it doesn't buff the way Shaco is meant to be played. Shaco isn't a bruiser who constantly gap closes on you like Jax or Irelia, so a lower CD Q isn't a massive buff like it would be on those champs. His playstlyle consists of using his absurd Q Stealth to get in range to one shot, but to one shot, he needs to build almost strictly damage and combo extremely well. Someone like Rengar or Kha zix can go a lot tankier (cleaver + deadman's) and still do the same amount, if not more damage than a full damage shaco. The removal of the damage on Q (80 at lvl 5) is a MASSIVE nerf since his burst will be greatly reduced from the removal of that damage and the AP ratio on Q is now gone. You might say, but the AP ratio is on backstab now! And Yes, it is on backstab, but a lot of situations you won't be able to get in position to backstab so you will find yourself not even being able to use that AP ratio anymore and the removal of the flat damage is a massive nerf AD Shaco. The problem with Shaco, as it stands, is not even close to being his damage. Compared to Talon, Rengar or Kha zix, he's not even close to compteting with these 3 champions in that regard. Shaco's thing that makes him a little too strong is his absurd stealth duration Q (4.5 seconds at lvl 5). That let's him cover way too much distance without counterplay and get in range to kill someone if he builds full damage without much counterplay outside of building a zhonyas or a GA. A better nerf would be reducing the stealth duration to 4 seconds or 3.75 seconds at lvl 5 to make him have to use Q properly rather than gutting his damage and making him very inconsistent.
: 1. There are no official patch notes on PBE, so there can easily be a missed change, such as the removal of Q's bonus damage. 2. As you mentioned, Shaco's passive now has an AP ratio. This is the same ratio that was on his Q. So rather than it being removed, it was moved from the Q to the passive.
The AP ratio on passive was the AP ratio that his Q had. He didn't get a new AP ratio, he just straight up lost 80 damage.
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: Yorick Ghouls need a MS nerf
You didn't play against season 2 yorick when it was 350 MS at lvl 1 and would minion block you.
: Oh boy, a post full of hyperbole and lack of understanding. >I have no clue why it's in the game and why someone even thought it was a good idea to put it in the game It's in the game to give AD assassins another item that caters specifically to them as well as to give Riot another balance point that they can balance AD assassins around in the future. AD assassin itemization right now is lacking, to say the least. This causes AD assassins to opt for items that occupy a different item space that is supposed to cater to other types of champions. >You remember season 3 league of cleaver? Well that's what's going to happen if this goes live. It does way too much damage for no reason and will get abused by literally anyone who uses has an auto attack and an ad ratio. It's really not. Firstly, "League of Cleaver" was only a thing because you could stack cleavers and reduce enemy armor to practically nothing. Secondly, the item is only optimally usable by champions who have a significant amount of non-basic attack damage. Not only is the item triggered by basic attacks, the item is also effective against champions who are low on HP. This means that a champion must do a significant amount of damage to an enemy champion before autoattacking at all or that a champion must already be low on HP. >Then on top of that, it has a huge boost to movement speed for no reason what so ever to make the item even more broken. Movement speed is good on every champion in the game and, as such, most champion roles/classes/archetypes/etc. have percentage movement speed (%MS) itemization. AD Marksmen have %MS itemization. AD Bruisers/Juggernauts have %MS itemization. AP Mages and Assassins have %MS itemization. AD Assassins, however, do not (other than Ghostblade, but that's an item active on a 45 second cooldown). >The passive portion is behond retarded. Just the 25% missing hp is a huge NOPE, DON'T PUT THIS IN THE GAME, but on top of that, it has a freaking 90 flat damage value, making it so in the WORST CASE POSSIBLE, the passive is STILL worth it since it's just a very long CD shiv proc that also gives insane stats. You can describe almost anything in the game and make it sound broken. "Wow, Teemo completely shuts down AD carries with his Q! Behond retarded! His blind makes it a 4v5 late game when he uses it on the enemy ADC! Behond retarded! AND he has movement speed built into his kit so you can't even catch him if you aren't fast enough! Behond retarded! Then there's his E which is broken! 5 auto attacks and he does 150% of his AP as magic damage! Behond retarded! That's like 1050 magic damage late game, just from AP! Plus it has a DoT and base damages.. broken! Behond retarded! Don't get me started on Teemo passive and ult!" Behond retarded! >But wait, there's more! If you fuck up and kill the target before it pops, fear no longer! It doesn't even go on CD, making it so you can 100-0 someone with the retarded stats of the item and then kill someone else with the passive while your abilities are on CD, GENIOUS. Riot already removed a large amount of agency from the player using this item by making it a passive that is difficult to optimally trigger rather than an active. >Bruisers like Jax, Xin zhao and hell, even darius will buy it since it's so fucking broken. Bruisers don't have room to be building items that are almost purely offensive and offer 0 defensive stats. Jax and Xin Zhao are more like light fighters/melee carries anyway. Especially Xin with the changes coming his way. Besides, the champions you listed cannot use the item optimally. Autoattacking is a significant part of all of those champions' kits. > On top of that, almost every ADCs will buy it since it gives more AD than IE while also having a better more reliable passive than IE, making it just a retarded item that shouldn't even be in the game in the first place. Your average AD Marksmen do not have room to be building items that do not give either crit chance, lifesteal, attack speed, or some combination of the 3. This combined with the fact that all AD Marksmen use basic attacks makes it a very poor itemization choice.
Complains about post having a lack of understanding, posts a reply with no understanding of the game and of the post. Nice try.
: I posted this on another thread but It could work instead of what it is now. Maybe make it 90+25% of total damage dealt to the enemy target within 2 seconds instead of 25% of missing health. A lot easier to balance cause if the target has a boat load of armor, they can shrug it off like nothing and it'll do it's job on squishes. Better idea. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}} .
So let's make zed ulti into an item, nothing wrong can happen from this and it doesn't make zed's unique kit not unique anymore.
: Duskblade of Draktharr [1/27]
You think only assassin will buy it? ADCs will buy it too since the passive is better than IE And the stats are better than freaking IE, making them be able to fuck people up harder as if they didn't already. It will even be bought on bruisers since the stats are retarded and the passive just amplifies that.
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: @Riot, I beg you...
What did you expect? Riot is so over biased towards ADCs and Mages. They think because you're ranged, you take more skill than being melee because you have to kite, as if orbwalking and positionning as melee didn't mean anything. They want melees to be useless full tank champions who just CC ppl and do nothing else while people right click to win and pretend they are good for playing graves.
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: as a diamond tank player, how do you feel tank itemization measures up against the onslaught of armor penetration and % hp that riot is waving about? dont get me wrong, tanks arent doing thier jobs lately, becasue they're doing damage, but on the other side of that, we arent getting rewarded for being walls, because ADC's and the like toast us in a few auto's. thoughts?
Armor penetration actually got worse, but the fact armor items are so bad makes it not as big of a deal, since tanks will mostly build health with a bit of armor on the side. The obvious problem with that is that % Hp damage will destroy them and they gave ADCs way too many items that helps them not get killed with Death's dance, mercurial having lifesteal and phantom dancer changes. I'm pretty sure with those items, adcs can win melee duels with melee bruisers.
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: Smaller 5.22 Marksmen Changes PBE Feedback Thread
You do realize that 4% HP damage is about 60-90 flat damage ? Vayne W is currently 60 flat damage, but now it does even more damage to squishies and to tanks, so you actually buffed her against squishy just as much as against tanks, but obviously math classes are way too hard to understand.
: What are your thoughts on garen? Just curious.
Garen is pretty balanced, arguably a bit weak in this meta. He does good damage and is reasonably tanky, but he is very to beat in lane and is very easy to kite, so he mostly relies on his opponents being bad rather than him outplaying them. So what happens is lower elo players complains about him since they can't do that while the higher tiers just laughs at him because he's just a worse darius / renekton / gnar / olaf.
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: Mages too strong late with the AP item changes.
Welcome to Riot games, where only ADCs and Mages can have early, mid and late game fantasies. Bruisers are just here to build trinity full tank and be useless afther 30 mins.
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: He'll probably get stronger because we buffed all his core items. Apologies in advance.
Riot: Yeah we buffed all the items of a tier 1 champion without planning for any changes to said tier 1 champion, so expect him to become perma ban tier since we didn't plan for that when we thought about these changes in the first place. Just really shows how terrible your balance team is if you do changes without thinking it's consequences and how it can break some champions into a overpowered tier.
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: worked fine for me :O
It works here and there, but sometimes it just doesn't, kinda weird.
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: PBE Mentality...
That's because most people are lower elo on PBE and some of them are banned on live and play on PBE because they got banned for beeing toxic.

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