: MYMU Annie, Fiddle, Veigar Discussion
Does killing a minion with W still give 1 stack? from the passive? and if i kill with Q does it give 2 stacks?
: It's an interesting idea, but getting a crit shouldn't be a worse result for the attacker than not getting a crit. Something like "reduces bonus damage from critical strikes by %" might work.
yeah ill add that in, it'd make more sense. but they already have randuins
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: [9/3 Patch] Veigar
id love to see this buff on one for all, free ap for everyone!
: hes also has no mobility aside form his passive and no hard cc and he can be demolished early just saying
: Devourer Changes
it also made any auto attack based champion really stupid strong, giving no counter. this was a nerf long coming
: Garen PBE Changelist and Feedback thread
does anyone else think they could add a scaling on attack speed for his E? like he spins faster the more AS he has, so it'd be able to lower his damage potentially. or maybe (attack speed * level + base) = spins
: Flesh eater too stronk!
i think losing stacks would suck, i think to make it less scary it would either need diminishing returns on the AD, or maybe for every 10 stacks it requires an extra AA to get the active
: [5.14] Zeke's Herald update coming to PBE
im imagining yasuo with the zekes, who needs crit items?
: "he built all damage" is the exact reason he lost. Gnar should never do that.
thats the funny thing lol, i never play gnar as whole either way
: I love that there's sort of a mix of the original old gangplank, and the recent iteration, and a lot of new stuff. this is a fantastic rework. The only thing that I have to ask for, which may be too late in the development process is that if he had just one big hearty laugh. I kind of miss that giant laugh when you'd ult. You know the one. The really laughy one. Does that make any sense?
: "We've disabled Gangplank due to a bug."
i didnt have E and still rekt a gnar, he built all damage, i built IE, then tank and proceeded to eat oranges and be K
: Chronometer for Tahm Kench (W) ?
you mean the timer on his buff bar? yes we have a timer
: Ok, Veigar was an instant stun as well as LARGE area control AND it was long! This is why Annie is not OP First lets look at her passive: every 5th ability is a stun its a decent sized stun... it hurts ok, but Q and R the abilities can be dodged or it takes a while for the stun to proc. her Q, annie has a very slow AA motion which means it can be very difficult to farm, as a result she will often use her Q to farm... which means that every time she hits 4 stacks she has a major problem between stunning or farming its range is also small so its easy to stay out of range of her W, very short, more damage if you're closer but not the worst problem her E, shield is weaker but speeds up tibbers... i really like this because it decreases "i'm going to school!" tibbers her R her with Q W and R a lot of damage can be done, but the damage can be avoided if not the stun and yes the nuke hurts, but she has ALOT of cooldowns to deal with now, her abilities are painful but lets look at her stats: health is low to compensate for E but can build RoA but leaves her weak to ganks Movespeed is also low, thats why engage annie is almost necessary what do those two facts say: Annie is A. easy to kill upon ganks and B. cannot easily run from ganks so whining about her is kinda stupid.... she's pretty balanced
sorry for not looking in such a long time, but here are my counters to those arguments, and im not good at making comprehensible stuff so bear with me Stuns Veigar stun WAS instant yes, and it had a good range. but it was very awkward to land especially against 1 person, i main veigar and i had gotten very good with it but it was very skill based to land that stun. Annie's stun isnt very hard to charge up (dont tell me its not) and its a set circle that can hit a much more concentrated team which veigar's couldnt, and it also did damage, and a good amount of it Aiming Annie has all instant landers or lock on. Q is unmissable as its a homing missile, R is only missable if you are stupid and give away you are ulting same with W Veigar (now) has 3 skillshots and 1 is a very awkward one to hit. Reactibility Since Annie has 2 instants she can flash and use her skills to instantly pop you if she has stun with no retaliation Veigar has 2 delays and 3 of his skills (again) are skillshots so the enemy has a CHANCE to react to what he's doing Safety Annie has her E which is a free defense steroid and has a stun that if she misses, she sucks and she DOES have low health and low MS Veigar only has his delayed E to escape and is much squishier than annie, as he starts with lower health than her at 492 while she stands at 511 overall annie has low counterplay, high damage, defense
: Yeah. I feel like her E nerf isn't necessary. She's supposed to be able to kill someone real fast if fed, and still deal tons of damage even if she's not fed. It's literally her characteristic. The nerfs are probably because of the recent pro scenes since she's banned all of the games or fed if not banned.
its all about counterplay, why do you think veigar got a delay on stun? talon lost silence? kassadin and LB too lost silence. all these changes are for more of a chance to do something, just cause veigar is fed late game doesnt mean he should ALWAYS get to burst you
: I agree with you about Nidalee. First Riot stated they will not be nerfing her because she is as balanced as she can be atm with all the jungle tanks around. Then they nerf her. I can't help but think they did this to appease the people who gripped, moaned and complained about her and demanding a nerf. This does upset me a little because yes she is super strong but she is also extremely squishy. Now she is even squishier.
nid needed that nerf with her jumps, damage, range, traps she was mobile enough and with lower health people can actually kill her and she can kill them as well
: and that 1 billion trillion range that makes it so hard to run away from?
and they said veigar stun was OP :P
: The burst is still there
doesnt mean i can USE it, why do you think veigar is already being buffed already?
: bard mask on the wall
there's multiple of them
: He doesn't need a stun when his ultimate is a target nuke ability.
oh really? after the damage was nerfed and its only really good at burst late game?
: Dude you could WALK to dodge it now. And possibly stop to order a pizza and a small drink on the way without getting hit or 'trapped' by it.
a .4 second delay would still be long enough especially since you can see him RUN up to you with the range
: I think the update is very balenced. You took the lane god (because if {{champion:45}} can kill you once he will do it again.) and kind of weakened that a little (in my opinion), all his late game potential is still there and the team fight is still there (if not, better). Really like the work Riot!! But i still {{item:3073}}weep{{item:3073}} for {{champion:40}}'s Q
what any good mage couldnt burst you after they could once *cough* {{champion:7}} Veigar had very easy ways to prevent dying, which was building MR and/or health and not being stupid by rushing AP with his ult He is THE quintessential point of a burst mage with a very awkward stun that if you mastered it showed you were good with him, now there is nothing really good seperating great veigars from the rest
: Have you ever played Veigar at all?
: You were never suppoused to farm with Veigar q but harrass. Ask any good Veigar player. Farming with q it's just waste of mana.
this is only true to an extent, i main veigar and you DO want farm but when you are able to kill them through harass then W its farming/harassing not just harass
: yeah i had the idea of the delay scaling down as you level before i saw yours and i was like "Great minds think alike" it'd give veigar the weak early game he's meant to have yet the strong lategame he's built for
ill reply tomorrow when i have had some time to expound on it
: Any thoughts of my idea? (just a a few recent posts down) :3 I felt like my ideas were pretty generous in everyone's regard
yeah i had the idea of the delay scaling down as you level before i saw yours and i was like "Great minds think alike" it'd give veigar the weak early game he's meant to have yet the strong lategame he's built for
: Veigar changes hitting the PBE Soon
too bad riot said "screw you we instalocked these changes" i call report! i just want something that my poor little veigar can cling onto for defense Addition: not just players instalocking now kiddies
: Veigar thread #892817
what if, either the stun delay went down as it ranked up and the overall stun duration went down so then veigar can actually deal with people late game
: Why nerf him? Since when has Veigar been 'overpowered'? When has this below avg win rate, never picked in high elo, champ ever became a problem? The Veigar nerf isn't addressing any game balance issues. Its strictly a rod to the head for being one of the last few mages that can reliably kill mobile champions. Plain and simple LCS politics.
for some reason riot thinks that being able to 100-0 someone is stupid when a majority of ppl already do it, they also dont like the instastun, and they dont like point and click stuff (every marksman ever)
: [Suggestion] Improving the QoL on Veigar's Event Horizon while increasing depth of play
maybe after it forms it slows everything inside so then veigar can hit his W or they can dash away from it
: Crazy, diabolical idea even. Cass style power breakpoints. " When Veigar obtains X ap" Or make his meteor (W) area effect scale up in size based on his AP. Making his W scale in damage, cooldown, and area of effect is a lot of scaling though so I would consider giving it a fixed cooldown to attempt to make this balance-able. Might make up for the less reliable stun. Like I'm imagining late game Veigar tossing out giant and threatening meteors
i think that this if it was added would give us the compensation for the DFG and if they made the delay on E shorter to like .5-.25 he could actually become what riot envisioned, the max size of the W could almost fill his E or something
: I actually played against a veigar, I was stunned maybe once the whole entire game by him. Its just to easy to get around with the new e kindah getting rid of his whole combo in general.{{champion:45}} {{item:3070}} {{item:3070}}
thats what a majority of feedback is, which is why people are saying the stun either starts small and expands or starts big and shrinks
: A suggestion would be to make him have sort of a volibear passive but with mana
well i think new mechanics would make it much more fun and interesting, and i dont think a passive like that would be more effective and it seems a bit weaker than his passive at the moment, an interesting one i think is the one ive seen before with the expanding E or the W when it hits the E the stun does damage and expands as well
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: i feel like this was very shoddily done, His Q is now a lux Q without a snare but has the AP stack, his W is still the same, his E is now a malzahar silence in a pentagon with a longer delay making anyone above bronze 5 able to dodge it as a stun, and his ult is just nerfed as damage. like all he had was burst but now he's got 2-3 really easy to dodge skillshots and a much weaker ult. when LB was nerfed she ONLY lost the silence. like i dont get why his Q is suddenly going through 2 targets and is a skillshot, that doesnt feel like veigar, he already had 2 skillshots. its also his main farming tool and now that you cant poke it should have at least lower CD or more damage His E is now suddenly unusable to the really long delay The ult is now good i think because its only the decreased ratio i think there are many ways he could be improved or maybe redo his whole kit to still stun and burst while it already sacrificed for squishiness and mobility
also i forgot to mention that with the Q change i dont really need more CDR so i was able to put in a pseudo Q with lich bane and not sacrifice much because the CDR is no longer worth it
: [Suggestions] Current Veigar mini-rework, Add Some Flavor!
i feel like this was very shoddily done, His Q is now a lux Q without a snare but has the AP stack, his W is still the same, his E is now a malzahar silence in a pentagon with a longer delay making anyone above bronze 5 able to dodge it as a stun, and his ult is just nerfed as damage. like all he had was burst but now he's got 2-3 really easy to dodge skillshots and a much weaker ult. when LB was nerfed she ONLY lost the silence. like i dont get why his Q is suddenly going through 2 targets and is a skillshot, that doesnt feel like veigar, he already had 2 skillshots. its also his main farming tool and now that you cant poke it should have at least lower CD or more damage His E is now suddenly unusable to the really long delay The ult is now good i think because its only the decreased ratio i think there are many ways he could be improved or maybe redo his whole kit to still stun and burst while it already sacrificed for squishiness and mobility
: Thoughts about the updated Tristana splash art (Patch 02/13)
im feeling like they do NOT want to try other poses, which poses to me are like 40-70% of a characters personality and a lot of the recent splash arts dont feel like the character at heart. with tristana i think they need to go back to the sort of concept art where she isnt flying around, as its much more interesting to see them less in fighting cause then it makes for an odd splash art. like i really appreciate riot redoing this but i would love to have league having no imperfections. gj to the artists that do this and put up with negative feedback
: Feedback and thoughts about Tristana splash art (PBE patch Jan/22)
I think they need to either drastically change the pose and expression or redo the whole thing, as with the new tristana i see her as a taunting type not the kind who instigates a fight which is what seems to be happening here, her eyes are barely bigger but eyes are a huge thing and it makes her look near manic. i also think she needs to look a bit more feminine as her waist feels slightly thicker and her hair doesnt fit that pose. her armor doesnt feel right either, the picture as a whole is a bit unsettling even if i dont compare with the concept art and that eyebrow feels a bit thick EDIT: i forgot the mention the ears, they dont seem the same
: Please can u bring back the old hunted indicator and the line when u can jump on a hunted target. it looked so good now its all plain and boring :/ i was looking forward for this skin too :/{{champion:32}} {{item:3070}}
its used for clarity, which i think the new one is much more visible
: it is supposed to be intentional, it says that you start with 5 stacks in the item description
oh, i didnt read that lol. thank you :D
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: Maps
people love ARAM though, its a very popular map, i would love to have URF maybe every tuesday and thursday sort of thing
: rp and ip
do you think they still do that? cause if so, they just make new stuff cost 1 IP and thats it
: Moved above post down here to make it easier to follow. I can agree to an extent. I do agree with what Maechen said that the original however makes him appear kinda evil and mischievous, while the edited one makes him appear more playful/happy. There's just something offputting about the original, can't you agree? EDIT: Not only that, but the full splash art itself has his head slightly tilted.
Yeah i see that but the original in full splash makes him see more playful while in mini splash, the edited seems more playful which is kinda weird for me
: ***
hmmmm, i think in the full splash he looks more playful and happy but his mini splash does look more mischevious, i think it'd be best to use the edited for in-game as it does feel more playful but in full for some reason it feels mischevious
: Rough Notes [PBE - 10/09/2014]
So how would the mana regen % increase affect people such as {{champion:45}} or {{champion:28}} cause if it affects {{champion:45}} in the way i think it does that would make him much more sustainable in lane with his passive
: Which version are you talking about? The original or the edited version?
oops posted wrong spot lol the edited, cause the way i see him in the picture it feels more natural for his personality to not be tilted as he isnt crazy unlike ziggs
: There are allways someone desperately trying to be grown up :P
i thought that was everyone lol
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