: I would be really glad if some Rioter could give us some insight on the Eclipse x Diana issue. Do you guys plan something for her or simply forgot she exists? Will we see Eclipse Diana in the future. And in case of "Diana already getting a skin recently", why not just hold the Eclipse theme for later and make it a "Versus" kind of thing?{{sticker:sg-soraka}}
Did not forget about Diana. We just had different plans for VS and the concept for Leona was so amazing we decided to jump on it. Diana Vs Leona is always in our list of potential VS. and she could totally get a stand alone skin in the future.
: Thanks again for the feedback. Seems like most people think both Leona and the Pajama variants are both really cool but the pricing on the Pajama Guardians feels off due to the limited changes. I will personally look into this to see if there is anything we can do.
After considering your feedback here and on the PBE boards and talking together as a team, we have decided to make a price adjustment to the Variants. PBE is always a forum for us to respond to your feedback. This is especially important when we’re trying out new products. We put a lot of thought into the 30% discount: including running player labs, number-crunching, and looking at the effort our artists put into the skins. We still believe in the value of these skins. That said, we hear you: 30% feels bad. So we’re changing it. Both Eclipse Leonas and Pajama Guardian Variants will be discounted now at 45% if you own the other one. So, if you own one Eclipse Leona, the other will cost 1001 RP (2821 RP for both). If you own one Star/Pajama Guardian, you’ll get its counterpart for 742 RP (2092 RP for both) Again, thanks for your feedback on this one. It matters, and we appreciate it.
: Introducing Variants: Pajama Guardians & Solar and Lunar Eclipse Leona
Hello again everyone! After considering your feedback and talking together as a team, we have decided to make a price adjustment to the Variants. PBE is always a forum for us to respond to your feedback. This is especially important when we’re trying out new products. We put a lot of thought into the 30% discount: including running player labs, number-crunching, and looking at the effort our artists put into the skins. We still believe in the value of these skins. That said, we hear you: 30% feels bad. So we’re changing it. Both Eclipse Leonas and Pajama Guardian Variants will be discounted now at 45% if you own the other one. So, if you own one Eclipse Leona, the other will cost 1001 RP (2821 RP for both). If you own one Star/Pajama Guardian, you’ll get its counterpart for 742 RP (2092 RP for both) Again, thanks for your feedback on this one. It matters, and we appreciate it.
: Introducing Variants: Pajama Guardians & Solar and Lunar Eclipse Leona
Thanks again for the feedback. Seems like most people think both Leona and the Pajama variants are both really cool but the pricing on the Pajama Guardians feels off due to the limited changes. I will personally look into this to see if there is anything we can do.
: I'm not talking about the Leona one. I think it's a little egregious but not nearly as much as the Star Guardian one. Regardless I think it's not enough of a discount for how similar they are.
Thanks again for the feedback. Seems like most people think both Leona and the Pajama variants are both really cool but the pricing on the Pajama Guardians feels off due to the limited changes. I will personally look into this to see if there is anything we can do.
: HOLY MOLY im a leona onetrick since a bit of time now, i waited for these skins so badly. but they look very very badass and really really cool- why dont you guys make it an ultimate? where you can switch like in the gun godess mf like her sword is lunar and her shield solar, like something. IM HYPED TY GUYS I LOVE RIOT <33333 {{champion:89}} {{champion:89}} {{champion:89}} {{champion:89}} {{champion:89}} {{champion:89}} {{champion:89}} {{champion:89}}
Glad you like it! She is my go to champion when I play support, so I am very excited as well. We wanted to try something different this time around, we heard a lot of feedback from players on MF not feeling really ultimate since she did not bring a 'new' feature to the game, which is why priced her lower but that wasn't enough to gander the Ultimate name. So if we ever release an ultimate again our bar for features is a bit different. When we made her we also explore packaging her as one skin and have the forms change based on which side you played on, but that didn't feel quite right during play tests and we found out some players actually preferred one over the other. So we decided early on to just split her into the two variants and see how players liked that.
: Will this 30% discount also be on crafting with orange essence? Also not sure but are there higher or lower chances on getting like a pajama guardian skin shard from a box or a pajama skin from a 3 way reroll if you allready have the star guardian skin of that champion? Cause i would assume some people would stills ee them just as more expensive chromas and if they allready got the sg skin they would feel betrayed if a reroll would give them a really similar skin to the same champion. On the other hand ofcourse there also could exists collectors or people who like this skin theme and are especially interested in getting all versions.
Other than the discount on purchases they work like stand alone skins, so they can drop in loot like any other skin. Players that already have the SG can either craft them or re-roll them like any other skins.
: Interesting. What about those who got the full SG bundles on release? Like those who have a loading screen border for that skin because they wanted the full package/experience for them, will they get additional discounts for these glorified chromas or just forgotten? 30% discount for a 80% recycled skin, not a fan
Thanks for the feedback. We are trying something new out with these, if they are not popular / enjoyed by players we'll stick to chromas in the future. These are separate skins, so if you got the SG bundle you still get the 30% discount on these.
: I gotta say, I'm pretty disappointed in these "Variant" skins. It feels like a glorified Chroma when taking existing skins, giving them a slight addition to the models, and then pricing them at the same price point as the base skin. It's more of a rebranded version of the same skin. And even with that 30% discount, you're still paying a minimum of $10 worth of RP for it. Either way, you're paying the same amount of money out of your pocket. But at least with Chromas, having a recolor only costs $5 for 2.
Thanks for the feedback. This is an experiment we are trying out, if everyone hates them, we just won't release more. They are a lot more work than Chromas for us, so if everyone is happy with just chromas we'll listen and stick to those.
: 30% off is way too low. Sure if you don't own the skin then whatever make it full price but if you do it's pretty much a chroma and you're going to charge like 3, 4 times as much as a normal chroma for this? If you're going to do this you better make that price more lenient if you already have the skin, man.
Thanks for the feedback. Not to get to technical, but there is significantly more work on these than in Chromas. Chromas are just a texture re-color, For the Pajama guardians they are getting a full new model, which also sometimes require tweaks to the rig and animation. For Leona she has a different recall, models (both base and after the ult), and VFX set.
: So what's the difference between these and say Lancer Paragon Blitzcrank and Lancer Rogue Blitzcrank. Will they also make the alternate 30% cheaper after this? As far as I can tell for the rules/thoughts about variants, they fit perfectly. I personally think the onesies Star Guardians are better suited as chromas, rather than standalone skins because the core thematic is still inherently Star Guardian. I understand it for Leona, but the Pyjama Guardians, not so much.
They are honestly pretty close, in the sense that when we released Blitzcrank we were developing two skins out of the Lancer thematic for him. There was a lot of back and forth back then and we almost released him as a legendary, but that didn't feel quite right. We had a discount bundle for him at release, but I'll take a look at what it will take to retro-fit this new tech on the store for him as well for future purchases starting next patch, it makes sense.
: I think I speak for everyone when I say we would LOVE for K/DA varients in the future! everyone keeps talking about Neon Akali so I think every K/DA member should get neon varients!
: Still no news about the new champ and we're getting this? I don't know if I can do it, bros.
: ***
We are beginning with Lux, Ezreal, Soraka, Miss Fortune and Lulu. If these go well / players like them we'll look into doing the rest of them in the future.
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: This skin looks kinda nice, but her lipstick on the splash art is not matching and you could do better with her eyeshadow too, as a girl I know what I’m talking about x) she would be really gorgeous if you make her look a little bit more glamorous, correcting a few little things, like you did with GG MF once.
I'll pass that feedback along, like anything else that goes to PBE if we see a lot of players giving this same feedback we can still do some minor tweaks to the skin.
: "Prestige Editions won’t be this [Young Ryze] unobtainable, but they are going to be hard to get. " Can you elaborate on that a bit? How hard? If it comes back will it be exactly the same or what? Is it going to be something like the arbitrary 3 years later like they did with Championship Riven? Wasn't the point of having super rare skins like this something Riot wanted to go against since they brought back nearly all of the Limited Edition skins despite selling them specifically as being "never obtainable again"? To me it seems like is just going back on what Riot has said and done in the past. Also, the pricing of 2500 means you have to give up EVERYTHING else just for this. For those who are collectors and want all of the limited content it basically becomes impossible now to get everything (save for playing like 20 games a day). Why tie it into World Tokens with competing products? Why not have it as its own thing?
The initial plan is 2500 World tokens hard. Then it will only be available if it drops for you via Loot. We might adjust that later, but currently that is the plan not to have it come back at some point arbitrarily. Balancing out that issue between something never being obtainable again and the desire to access a specific champion fantasy with a skin was precisely why we created the Prestige Edition concept, so that you can all still get the base skin, K/DA Kaisa, any time you want to experience K/DA. So the rarity being specific to the Prestige Edition only. We'll be looking at the balance at the end of the event and consider other options for future Prestige Editions, but having to make that conscious choice is precisely what makes it rare, hard to get.
: Sorry this isn't thread related but it might be my only chance (as the thread is pretty fresh) to ask about something skin related. Do you guys have in plans any chromas for Battle Boss Brand? I know you've been doing chromas for most recent skins lately but i feel like brand was skipped when you were creating chromas for other mechy skins.
Currently we are only focusing on Chromas for new skins.
: How often can we expect to see a Prestige edition skin? I assume they will be more frequent than ultimate skins but less frequent than Hextech releases?
We haven't decided on this yet, but if is successful I believe at least one per event. Would you like to see them more often?
: I just hope that, if you do make more prestige skins, you don't release them all at the same time. I'm willing to grind two months for a collector's skin, even several times in succession. I'd be really disappointed, however, if you were to give us another two month period to grind tokens, and said "We're releasing Prestige Ahri, Evelynn, and Akali, but realistically, we only expect you to be able to afford one of these by the end of the event, unless you also purchase $600 worth of orbs packs."
: would the others also cost 2500 tokens? It would be pretty much if you wanted everyone, I do not even have half for Kai'Sa Prestige Skin :(
If we released them they would not be part of this event, so the worlds tokens would not be the way to get them.
: > [{quoted}](name=I am Carlos,realm=PBE,application-id=AYQh7p7O,discussion-id=qKY4WrdK,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2018-10-09T19:33:42.942+0000) > > > I believe it was only mentioned after the splash art was leaked. Incorrect, sir. In the "[Learn More: Worlds Season 2018](https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/special-event/learn-more-worlds-season-2018-event)" news post, this skin was called "Popstar Kai'sa" and was a very important part of the event. It was advertised BEFORE it was ready to be shown, leaks or otherwise. Not that it matters. I couldn't afford the Worlds Pass or the time it takes to acquire the tokens and I wouldn't support marketing tactics like this with my money.
Oh yes you are correct. The purpose of that was to let players now that a larger prize was coming so that they would not spend their tokens early if they wanted to save them for it. But we didn't want to call attention to it early by properly announcing what it was before the other K/DA skins, so we didn't call out any features or exactly what it was at that point. This is the most complicated event we have done from the perspective of all the content involved, so we are doing our best but there are likely going to be lots of learning and improvements we expect to be able to make next time around.
: While the skin looks great and I like that it will be rare, I don't like that I'll kind of have to choose between this one skin or the golden chromas and borders for my championship skins. With my only other option being to buy loot items with RP, but even the bundle that costs around $50 you only get enough tokens for one of the chromas/borders. which is a little absurd. I understand if I play a lot and I mean _a lot_ I could probably get both but I kind of wish this was tied to a different event. Just feels kinda bad as a collector. Especially with the Halloween stuff also being tied to Worlds Tokens.
Thanks! glad you like how the skin came out. And I hear you, we are going to be monitoring token gains and how people use those tokens really closely on this one. We have never done a giant event like this worlds one before that last so long and goes through so much content so we absolutely want / need to keep an eye on the balance and apply changes to future events. I believe it was really challenging to adjust the design for the skin to feel as valuable and rare as intended with the event length, and I do believe that having that choice between prizes for players that aren't playing a ton is intended from the design.
: Honestly this skin is really low quality and for being the special "collectors item" It is worse then the non chroma version skin textures and VFX. I know Riot hasnt created a lot of collectors items lately, but if you are make it something that's still quality product.
Thanks for the feedback. Have you seen it in game yet and compared it to the non Prestige Edition K/DA skin? We put a lot of effort in changing the model and texture and making really unique VFX changes on her, in my opinion it came out really nice, but looking forward to hearing more feedback about it from all of you.
: Like I told the marketing team, this is too much of a cynical cash grab for me to put that much time and effort into. You guys even advertised the skin before it was fully ready, like certain other greedy AAA developers!
Thanks for the feedback. We'll be monitoring feedback like this and performance to see if we need to adjust anything if we do more Prestige Edition skins. I believe it was only mentioned after the splash art was leaked. And we are announcing details with this post as it goes to PBE along with the rest of the K/DA skins being fully announced.
: Is it possible to get in loot?
: Also, great work on Kai'Sa skin I LOVED HER She's looking a lot like Taylor Swift hahaha
> [{quoted}](name=Cachos Afro,realm=PBE,application-id=AYQh7p7O,discussion-id=qKY4WrdK,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-10-09T18:00:55.145+0000) > > Also, great work on Kai&#x27;Sa skin > I LOVED HER > She&#x27;s looking a lot like Taylor Swift hahaha Glad you like it! We haven't decided yet if the others K/DA skins will receive Prestige Edition skins, depends on reception on this one and if players really want them, but if we made them they would come out in a different patch, not this one.
: So will I have to buy the skin to get the chroma, or does the 2500 Tokens include both the skin and the chroma? If that's not the case, will it be like the warring kingdoms golden chromas, that if I buy the Prestige chroma for 2500 and obtain the skin later on, I will have that chroma ready?
> [{quoted}](name=Smuggy Suuyaa,realm=PBE,application-id=AYQh7p7O,discussion-id=qKY4WrdK,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-10-09T18:17:53.196+0000) > > So will I have to buy the skin to get the chroma, or does the 2500 Tokens include both the skin and the chroma? > > If that&#x27;s not the case, will it be like the warring kingdoms golden chromas, that if I buy the Prestige chroma for 2500 and obtain the skin later on, I will have that chroma ready? It is not a Chroma, it will function as a stand alone skin that includes it's own splash, so yes the 2500 Tokens include everything for the Prestige Edition.
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: The only gripes I have with this skin are the few inconsistencies with his torso and the ult animation (not as important, It just looks goofy compared to the hellish aesthetic of the rest of the skin, some barbwire should do the job). This was brought to my attention by a friend who mains {{champion:412}} , and I think it at least needs to be addressed before release. The most important thing, I believe, is the way the torso of the skin is displayed differently in the splash art, in game model, animated trailer and teaser image. The announcement was first made with three teaser images, one for each skin. In the teaser, Thresh is a skeletal figure covered by a dark cloak that reveals his ribs and a metallic hand holding a chain/rope. In the animated trailer we clearly see hellfire seeping through the outline of ribs.These led me to believe that the skin was going to have more skeletal features. What threw me off after seeing these was the splash art and in game model, which featured some sort of metal plating covered in (most likely) bullet holes. In addition to that, the splash also has an ammo belt filled with a few shells, which is not present on the actual model. This would not be much of a problem if the metal plating wasn't also a different colour. In game it looks like some sort of bug's exoskeleton that is also at melting point for some reason, completely different from the splash. I believe that the skin team overlooked certain details when making the skin since the teaser image and trailer look much better than the finished product. The most probable answer to the difference between the teasers and final product is that the prior began production before the skin team fully decided on how Thresh would look like. Even so, the skin that is currently on the PBE still has major differences from the splash art, from the weird shape of the chest plate in game, to the awful brightness difference, all the way to the missing ammo belt. While I believe that the skin team will stick to the metal plating, I really hope they go back to the open ribs idea. If not, at least fix the damn one you made. Thanks for taking the time to read.{{item:2009}}
Thanks for the feedback. Let me try to answer your concerns to the best of my ability, as one of the producers in the skins team. We do allow for certain differences between splash, promo assets like the animated trailer, and what is in game for a number of reasons. The main reason being the differences in the medium in which each has to live. The splash is a painted 2d image that has a lot of detail and sometimes artistic liberties are taken with both color palettes and added details that just don't work as well in game, but create a more artistic and fantasized representation of the skin that what we can put in the game. The promo in this case was a high resolution 3d asset model that needed to be detailed more realistically (and less painterly than the splash) for aesthetic and impact purposes than what we can put in the game. Meanwhile the asset that goes in game has a number of restrictions and limitations: colors that fit well with the rest of the in-game content, clarity necessary for gameplay, limitations on max resolution of our models, character readability, and the amount of detail we can add without introducing visual noise for most people's monitor resolutions, just to name a few. Still, we are used to working within those constrains and always want to bring you guys the coolest representation of the skin as possible. I agree having more skeletal features could have been interesting for the skin as well, but beyond practical reasons for the model there were also some legal concerns for how skeletal we could take him that are specific to the game rating around the world and certain restrictions around showing exposed bones. We'll take the feedback to the team of course, and apologies if you felt mislead from the different representations of this skin. We always take some liberties because of what works well for each place we are showing a League character, but we also are always striving to keep it close enough so that is recognizable and representative of what the in-game asset is. It is a balancing act and not a perfect science, we'll keep trying to improve!
: 2 weeks to test it and then said it's releasing in 7.19. I'd expect it to be bug free if it's been stated it's coming out in 7.19 rather than bullshit lies.
I apologize, it was one of those weird ones that we couldn't really see until it was live, it's actually the same issue that is making some of Singed skins walk cycle look off, we have a fix verified and it will be live next patch. I personally feel your pain, I am a Singed main and I need Beekeeper Snooged in my life.
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: > [{quoted}](name=Jezus,realm=PBE,application-id=cMKtzQHY,discussion-id=REPY7nR9,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-09-12T19:33:43.056+0000) > > Sorry, but this skin is pretty fucking epic, learn to be grateful. I mean {{champion:83}} is for sure. Jezus. "Grateful?" I'm sorry, I'm not a puppy looking for a bit of attention. I am someone who had high expectations from this team after six years of waiting. I am also someone who has had numerous conversations about Yorick with Rioters, in person and on social media, over these six years, all of whom told me that I "need to be patient and the wait would be worth it." What they gave was, at best, an average effort with an overused concept. If you like this skin, by all means like it. But don't tell me to be "grateful" when I was told by Riot that the skin would be worth the wait and they failed to deliver on that.
Hi TerraRaising, Thanks for the feedback and sorry this skin didn't hit the mark for you. I am the main Producer for this skin. We felt internally after looking at multiple concepts and explorations that this was the coolest idea for Yorick we could execute on right now. Particularly because the thematic pushed into the more 'angelic' and godly particles in the arc-light thematic feel so different from base Yorick. A lot of times when we make skins, we look for making something unique for players of that champion. Our goal was never to make a skin that was worth '6 years of wait time' I think that would be impossible for us to do. I mean I think we have maybe one person left in the skins team that has been around for that long. Instead we did our best to give Yorick players something different from what they have in the skins catalog and that was a unique fantasy for Yorick vs base and his other skins, so we tried our best. Now that we have the champ-up team full force updating champions that either have outdated abilities or visuals I feel more confident that we won't go another 6 years without a Yorick skin or leaving any champion forgotten for that long. Which skin idea would you have liked to see instead? I love the cat lady Yorick fan concept, but we felt going with a more serious skin was the right approach for his first skin in so long. Thanks! Carlos
: [CLOSED] PBE Bugs & Feedback Thread: Beekeeper Singed!
Singed mains can finally bee all that we can bee.
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: This is big change, that I do view as a positive change for them, however, I do have _**a couple of ideas**_ I would like to suggest to you guys. **1. Seasonal/Event chromas:** This would include Pool Party, Arcade, Bilgewater and Snowdown. These chromas (individual or packs) could be sold as IP and RP, to celebrate patches. During the Pool Party patch, you could release special chromas with colors based on the event (such as a "water" set or a "sand" set.) These could, but are not limited to textures aswell. For skin patches, such as the arcade patch, you could release a set of arcade textured chromas. **2. Mastery and Ranked chromas:** This chroma would be focused on reaching mastery ranks 5, 6 and 7 on a champion, and would be included in the end of ranked rewards. Red (5), Purple (6), and Blue (7) chroma would be created for the **BASE** skin (rank 7 could possibly bring chroma for skins as well). For Ranked, your top played champion(s) could receive a chroma based on your rank, this would most likely be only for the **BASE** skin and could be available for all ranks. **3. Champion chromas:** With this update to chromas, you have pushed only skin chromas, this could change when the next PBE Cycle begins, but if you have not thought or made any more base chromas, adding roughly 3 for each base skin could create diversity in game appearances, and be an option for less frugal buyers or the lower income players. Eventually you could expand to a full palette of chromas for each champion, with one per base color on the color wheel, and altered or non base color versions for things such as champion mastery, ranked and seasonal events. **4. Ability chromas:** These chroma would be aimed at changing abilities as well as the model for a champion. This could be for a base skin or skin, and would alter the effects slightly to create a color variant (for example PROJECT skins could have their main color (ie. Ashe's blue) and have it changed to match the Chroma's color.) **5. Skin transfers:** Some of the older skins in League of Legends were only recolors, by making these skins legacy and permanently vaulted, you could transfer them over to the chroma program. This is just an additional side note, and does not have to happen. The main ideas and suggestions that I and probably a large part of the community would like to see are numbers 1-4. Thanks for reading this if you do, riot! {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
Interesting ideas! We are looking forward to see how you guys all receive these new Chromas and potentially evolve what we do with them based on any trends that we see and we are also listening to your ideas/ feedback to try to improve! As far as each of your suggestions: 1-Event Chromas: Arcade Miss Fortune is our first attempt to see how a Chroma set that is part of a thematic that includes new skins is received. I expect we'll explore more variations around Chromas with each thematic in the future. 2-Currently not being planned, but I dig the ranked idea and we are always looking at new ways to reward mastery and ranked accomplishments. Personally I think loot drops was a good step into giving mastery rewards and give you guys access to a broad content catalog for free, but we'll see what else we can put together in the future with the competitive team. 3- We actually saw from the first group of Chromas that you guys seem to prefer skin Chromas, I was actually surprised when we looked at who buys Chromas, it looks to us that the biggest portion is players that actually want to deepen their choices with a skin that they already love. Actually this makes sense, when I think of Chromas the first thing that comes to mind is how sweet it would be to have a set of Surfer Singed Chromas as that is my favorite champion and skin in the game! :) 4- Cool idea! the challenge there is our VFX resources are always stretched between new skins, champions and other projects and it would be hard to prioritize for Chromas, but we are always hiring awesome artist and who knows maybe some day in the future there is an opportunity for Chromas 2.0? We are not working on this currently but I could see it being something we try if we find Chromas are really successful. 5-This would actually be a little more complicated than it sounds because of the way the tech works. We are also initially trying to cover a lot of the skins that are played a lot, that way we cover a bigger number of players that want to have a new way of playing with their favorite skins, but thanks for letting us know about this idea. Thanks again for the great ideas!
: Wait, didnt Riot say before that chromas were put on hold, since the current shop didnt allow to a comfortable purchase of them and that they always had a technically difficulties to implement them? Did that change or is it still the same issues?
Store will be updated in the next patch to allow for individual Chromas being sold.
: Is the IP sale for the full bundle or is it for a specific chroma variant? (eg. If I spent it on Zac Sweet, would I get the full pack of 3 or do I have to choose between orange pink and yellow?)
The IP sale will be for individual chromas.
: So have the pipeline issues that made chromas just not worth the time been resolved?
We are still optimizing that pipeline, but we are pretty confident at this point we can deliver them on a good cadence without affecting production of skins and at really good quality bar. It was a longer road than we expected, but we are pretty happy where we ended up and really hope you guys enjoy them!
: Will Chromas be regular additions in each patch cycle (like skins)? Or will they only be added occasionally (like ward skins)?
Currently we are not planning to have new ones every single patch, but they will be coming a lot more often than ward skins.

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