: I'm currently trying to connect to a match, and i'm getting tons of firewall issues
Rioter Comments
: PBE Down??
Smh. I was doing my first ranked pbe match.
: Ah...one of the I-eat-you-with-1-k-truedmg-suck-it-players
> [{quoted}](name=BlackquillPBE,realm=PBE,application-id=2EAF660193FA3B668D7234B3AEBB530C5AB7F651,discussion-id=yfLOAWyB,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-02-14T16:28:14.883+0000) > > Ah...one of the I-eat-you-with-1-k-truedmg-suck-it-players Yeah except cho has a bit of trouble getting to people if they're remotely competent. :P
: Ah, you are one of the Veigar players then.
> [{quoted}](name=BlackquillPBE,realm=PBE,application-id=2EAF660193FA3B668D7234B3AEBB530C5AB7F651,discussion-id=yfLOAWyB,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2015-02-14T16:07:32.810+0000) > > Ah, you are one of the Veigar players then. Actually i'm a cho'gath main.
: And then there are guys like me who say: "Right direction, Riot. But you need to work on him a little bit"
> [{quoted}](name=BlackquillPBE,realm=PBE,application-id=2EAF660193FA3B668D7234B3AEBB530C5AB7F651,discussion-id=yfLOAWyB,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-02-14T15:57:23.407+0000) > > And then there are guys like me who say: "Right direction, Riot. But you need to work on him a little bit" And those people are very very very very wrong.
Rioter Comments
: I didnt think about how minions would affect Veigars combo in lane...thats interesting! But to be fair now you can use the Q as a poke THROUGH a minion, allowing for farming and poking with one ability, so i think that balances. The ult is already pretty op, so i think thats a good change overall, now a veigar doesnt always have to build a seraphs or a athenes, a morello and smart casting should always keep a veigar with enough mana for the combo should he need it. i agree on the Event Horizon tho, its almost impossible to land now, and because of the way the range works, its way too easy for an enemy to turn on a veigar and destroy him, with no counterplay possibility for veigar. maybe if they made the E cast indicator less obvious and reduced the activation time from .75 sec to .5? Just a thought.
> [{quoted}](name=bane898,realm=PBE,application-id=2EAF660193FA3B668D7234B3AEBB530C5AB7F651,discussion-id=mA3rmjrk,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-02-14T03:57:51.941+0000) > > I didnt think about how minions would affect Veigars combo in lane...thats interesting! But to be fair now you can use the Q as a poke THROUGH a minion, allowing for farming and poking with one ability, so i think that balances. The ult is already pretty op, so i think thats a good change overall, now a veigar doesnt always have to build a seraphs or a athenes, a morello and smart casting should always keep a veigar with enough mana for the combo should he need it. i agree on the Event Horizon tho, its almost impossible to land now, and because of the way the range works, its way too easy for an enemy to turn on a veigar and destroy him, with no counterplay possibility for veigar. maybe if they made the E cast indicator less obvious and reduced the activation time from .75 sec to .5? Just a thought. Yes, you can use Q to poke through *one* minion now. That's unreliable however. In match ups with champions like zed and akali, veigar kinda relied on the reliable poke from his Q.
: My thoughts on the Veigar changes.
> [{quoted}](name=PBE MrLittleThor,realm=PBE,application-id=2EAF660193FA3B668D7234B3AEBB530C5AB7F651,discussion-id=BBW3k1wa,comment-id=,timestamp=2015-02-14T03:01:11.817+0000) > > > So most people appear to have an issue with his E, Event Horizon, being changed to now having a .75 second delay with a warning particle before walls pop up. Before these changes a fair amount of Veigar kills seemed to be too reliant on a Flash-E-W-Q-R to burst down one enemy. My issue with that is it seemed to be the only reason people wanted to save E for, was those Flash E or just E-W-Q-R combo. Now you can use it more strategically. > > For instance, you can start using it more defensively when trying to escape a teamfight gone wrong. So you run away and cast Event Horizon and the enemy sees that warning indicator knowing that they are most likely going to get stunned unless they go around the cast area, and that actually slows them down a bit more. Let me get this straight. Because E is is less reliable now, it's better to use it more rather than to wait for an opportune time to use it? And you *like* this change? aight. > [{quoted}](name=PBE MrLittleThor,realm=PBE,application-id=2EAF660193FA3B668D7234B3AEBB530C5AB7F651,discussion-id=BBW3k1wa,comment-id=,timestamp=2015-02-14T03:01:11.817+0000) > > His new Q also allows you to play more safer in the laning phase. So you can more more confident getting similar farm to more mobile champions and assassins. Yea so that's the thing. Reliable poke is what allowed veigar to compete with champions like akali and zed. Now that it can be dodged, veigar is going to have a much harder time in lane.
Rioter Comments
: DADDY IM HERE TOO!!! #PepperMafia
> [{quoted}](name=RIP Paul Walker,realm=PBE,application-id=cMKtzQHY,discussion-id=dOBq0vX7,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2015-02-14T00:55:23.453+0000) > > lmao THE CONFUSION IS REAL
: So exactly how many people have PBE accounts?
Why am I getting downvoted, lol. Did I say something offensive?
Rioter Comments
: Yeah, Riot, considering that I actually play Veigar on a semi-regular basis on live, can we just not get any compensation please? Look, I understand that the Veigar Dream™ is to 100-0 someone (I mean, I live that dream), but .75 second delay on event horizon formation? 1.25 seconds land time on Dark Matter. I like the idea of Baleful Strike being a skill shot and as a result getting some range, but in combination for everything else? This isn't "compensation for removal of your primary tool" this is "lets change your entire game play pattern, buffs here and nerfs there!" While the idea behind Event Horizon and the 'trap them in a cage to torment them!' idea is very in line with his lore (Super Villain Yordle! MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!), it doesn't meet the realities of actual game play where you acknowledge that he's meant to live the Burst Dream™ but then make it so that he can't actually burst. Imagine if when you hit the ground with Alister's Pulverize, the stun didn't go off for 1.25 seconds. Now imagine that, instead of it being a stun, it was your largest damage ability on none AP champs. :/ Lack of mobility. Completely unreliable CC. Short range ult with weaker ratios. Delay for multiple abilities to actually form. Look, I realize that Veigar will never be an LCS pick. I realize that we're probably never going to see LC$BIGPLAY$ from him. But this, what you're doing right here, this is what will effectively push him into unplayability. This isn't compensation for the loss of a primary item, this is adjustment of what you feel is 'toxic' game play patterns. Don't piss on me and tell me that it's my compensation because you recalled my car. If you don't like that his stun is reliable, then buff other parts of his kit to compensate. Don't buff his Q, nerf the R because the buff to Q was making it overbearing, and then nerf W and claim that we're now Living The Veigar Dream™! Because we're not anymore and you god damn well know it. Maybe you guys are just loosing touch with how your players actually feel about certain champs that aren't "Meta", because you never really see them played at the pro level and as such don't get a lot of exposure to them. But if this is how things are going to go, I think that I'll finally just be 'out'. I mean, I had to take a break from league for real life reasons for several months, and came back to find that one of the main reasons I loved the world the game took place in had been nuked from the lore (RIP Institute of War). Look, I like league. I REALLY like League of Legends. I watch every pro match, and if I'm not at work or playing something else, I'm probably playing league. I've been doing this since season one. And at this point, things are starting to compound for me. The rise of INSANE MOBILITY, adjustments to game play stuff that reinforces the meta of, "If you can't 100-0, tank out insane damage, or crit auto for half of a none tank's health, then you're useless to us.", etc. It's just getting old Riot. If you're going to adjust Veigar's play pattern that much, just leave him alone. If we wanted that kind of adjustment, we would want a relaunch or something, not 1 buff and 2 nerfs (3 if you count DFG removal). Sincerely, AshenFox - Veigar Dreamer™
Rioter Comments
: Veigar changes hitting the PBE Soon
"E - Event Horizon Has a 0.75 second delay with a warning particle before the walls appear" NO. BAD RIOT. *Smacks SmashGizmo* NO. Veigar is indeed the quintessential burst mage. What you seem to not be realizing is that veigar is also the quintessential squishy for assassins and bruisers to bully (Okay, twisted fate has that spot, but veigar is a close number 2). By doing this, you're giving every single assassin/bruiser a license to kill veigar without veigar being able to do a thing. Do you want him to be played even less than he is? And don't tell me you're not okay with long range undodgable stuns when {{champion:134}} exists.
: BUG with DJ sona
Wow. That's... possibly one of the coolest bugs of all time.

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