: > [{quoted}](name=DeideraSenpai,realm=PBE,application-id=2EAF660193FA3B668D7234B3AEBB530C5AB7F651,discussion-id=KrPTQfI3,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-11-10T21:56:14.080+0000) > > And the fact she can now trigger headshot at double the range with amped damage if the target steps on one of her traps doesn't make up for that? Generally she actually does a lot more damage if you play around her traps as they not only give you a very powerful headshot at a long range when someone tries to defuse them, they also allow your Q to apply full damage to them through minions. Though your all in may not be as strong with this change, your general laning phase is incredibly strong due to the huge zone control your traps provide now that they have been buffed so heavily. It doesn't because her Q got a heavy nerf
Um, no it didn't. Her Q has 10 more base damage at all levels than live, its AD scaling goes up with each level, and it's minimum damage is 10% higher now, and it still does full damage to trapped champions. Those all sound like buffs compared to live. The only thing that's nerfed from live is that technically the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th unit hit take less damage in the PBE than in live, and that's only true at low ranks of Q. At max ranks of Q, it's only the 2nd unit hit that would take less damage.
: Clarify Last Whisper changes
Okay, so if it is number 2, then the follow up question comes into play. Since armor reduction happens before armor penetration, which part of armor gets reduced first: base armor or bonus armor? I.E. If the bonus armor gets reduced first, then does the penetration you get from Last Whisper go down if you have a Black Cleaver the more you attack?
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: Stop banning the champions that got updated/changed
See, the other thing is, guys, another part of testing is to play against the champs, really see if there is any counterplay to their new kits, find way around the OP-ness that people haven't thought of yet to maybe show they aren't actually all that OP. You also need to remember that people of all skill levels are on the PBE now. The filtering system of skill levels can't be anywhere near the refinement they do on the live servers. So not only do you likely get bronze vs platinum match ups, but you also get the banning strategies of bronze vs platinum players, and bronze players are notorious for banning champs they just don't like to play against, not because they're actually OP.


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