: rune rework and AP junglers/ nidalee
i have determined that celerity is much better than absolute focus. but the issues still stands i now think adding 10-12 ap and 2-3 armor should be enough to get her clear back to "around" its live values. it will still likely be a weaker and much more dangerous first clear even with those. but it looks like she will scale better into the mid/ late game with the new runes
: Feedback on Nidalee and the new runes
i havent tested her in lane... (as much i would LOVE to be able to mid top and support with her again... its just not viable anymore even on live) but even in the jungle her clear is horrid now the reduction from around 26 ap from runes to 10 is devastating even adding 10 AP and maybe 2-3 more armor would be enough to fix her clear after her first clear he new runes seem like they would work well with her. but that first clear is WAY to devastating. if you cant even clear the jungle as an early game jungler. your are never going to get what u need to be relevant
: Their even worse like this, at least on live i can kill them as kayn or zed
> [{quoted}](name=Xavanic,realm=PBE,application-id=2EAF660193FA3B668D7234B3AEBB530C5AB7F651,discussion-id=Tt2rU2yX,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-10-03T16:15:43.108+0000) > > Their even worse like this, at least on live i can kill them as kayn or zed well {{champion:141}} is busted in both forms now, i feel he is a bit too weak before he but WAY too strong after he does, now in EITHER form. but zed is actually mostly balanced right now.. so i congratulate you on fulfilling your role on assasin with him. i can tell you as nidalee. i need a almost an entire item lead over an adc to kill them..
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: Please dont let adcs go live like this
the sad part is they are ALREADY live like this
: rune rework and AP junglers/ nidalee
this really needs more attention. she flat out has 16 less AP on her first clear, and her first gank.. and technically ALL GAME. at the same time you just hit "sudden impact" by giving it lethaity and magic pen.. which is by far the best rune for nidalee also the only 2 decent sorcery things for her are celerity and absolute focus.. which are BOTH in the same row... all these things totals for a VERY large nerf to nidalee's early game.. i told you how removing stregnth of the ages would cut her winrate by 8% TWO MONTHS before u removed it. and yet for SIX MONTHS after that change she had the worst win rate in the game... #PLEASE LISTEN THIS TIME!!! i am GIVING you the data you need to fix this BEFORE it becomes an issue. USE IT!!!!
: thunderlords has never procd on jungle camps, its always been on champs only.
> [{quoted}](name=WinterAlba,realm=PBE,application-id=2EAF660193FA3B668D7234B3AEBB530C5AB7F651,discussion-id=ntgtlWOB,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-09-29T01:52:48.388+0000) > > thunderlords has never procd on jungle camps, its always been on champs only. meh, yet another reason why it made nidalee lose 8% winrate when we were all forced to drop strength of the ages. i always HATED having to run that on her, but it is at lest the LEAST horrid option right now. i told riot two months before the removal of SOA went live it would drop her winratre by 8% (i knew 8% becuase every nidalee who didnt take SOA and took thunderlords was 8% lower) all the data was there clear for anyone to see if they only looked... now i cant prediect the EXACT number of the winrate drop becuase i don't have existing data for this. but if riot doesn't change anything nid is going to be GUTTED... AGAIN i SERIOUSLY hope they LISTEN this time.
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: Champions who can get perfect rune combinations are superior champions than those who do not.
yeah some champs really do get too much.. and ap junglers are flat out screwed.. but hopefully with even rework this patch that MIGHT get some attention
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