: Hey guys, responded below but it seems alot of people want some flowers in other places, moreso her ult. We will see what we can do, thanks everyone
Put the dead black flowers on it instead of the red ones.
: PBE Bugs & Feedback Thread: Pajama Guardians!
So, I think you guys might be using a wrong/outdated texture for Ezreal? I remember that, when his rework was first teased, his face on Star Guardian looked a bit weird on the rework trailer video, a loot more older and sharp than on all the other skins. Whoever was responsible for his rework's skins fixed it before it went to PBE(they said so on Ez Mains reddit), and the skin has been fine like that ever since. Now looking at the picture for Pajama Ez, I instantly thought it looked a lot like that original trailer version. I went to both his skin spotlight videos, and I think I'm right. This is his current face texture: https://teemo.gg/model-viewer?skinid=81018 I think this should be fixed/changed not only so that the skins match(not sure if that's supposed to be a priority or not), but really because his current face is really weird and doesn't fit Ez, especially on a cute pajama skin like that. It did get FIXED(with those words rather than "changed" or "updated" for a reason.
: PBE Bugs & Feedback Thread: Lunar Eclipse Leona!
I think her ult VFX feels a bit underwhelming when compared to Solar. Besides that, those two are just perfect!
: PBE Bugs & Feedback Thread: Pajama Guardians!
First of all, I'm so glad about the new discount, thanks for listening. Now, sorry that this is probably not good feedback again(sigh)... But why did you guys chose this specific group of champions for this? Like, why not just one of the teams and then the other later one? Or even just not another random selection? I really wanted a Jinx one x.x And I ship her and Lux on this line so even if she gets one later, I really wanted them together on the shared splash x.x Sorry for the lowkey rant lol.
: Hello again everyone! After considering your feedback and talking together as a team, we have decided to make a price adjustment to the Variants. PBE is always a forum for us to respond to your feedback. This is especially important when we’re trying out new products. We put a lot of thought into the 30% discount: including running player labs, number-crunching, and looking at the effort our artists put into the skins. We still believe in the value of these skins. That said, we hear you: 30% feels bad. So we’re changing it. Both Eclipse Leonas and Pajama Guardian Variants will be discounted now at 45% if you own the other one. So, if you own one Eclipse Leona, the other will cost 1001 RP (2821 RP for both). If you own one Star/Pajama Guardian, you’ll get its counterpart for 742 RP (2092 RP for both) Again, thanks for your feedback on this one. It matters, and we appreciate it.
: Nah skins like Ionian yi are 975 and the base model is almost the same so 750 is the right way to go
That skin and those like that are old and were made before Riot changed their policy. From around 2013 or so, they decided that from that point on, all skins that didn't change anything but the model were 750 and 975 were the ones who had at least VFX differences.
: The skins got new VFX when compared to the original and the models look more detailed then normal 750 skins but I think 945rp is still to expensive. But I actually miss the 750rp skins the were kinda cool...
There's no such thing as "the model looks more detailed". 750 skins don't have a objectively better or worse models. They're supposed to be the same as the other skins except that they don't have new VFX. Just like Pajama variants don't have new VFX for people who already have the original Star Guardians. The price is only too expensive for those who already own them.
: PBE Bugs & Feedback Thread: Pajama Guardians!
As I said on other posts: 945 RP for people who already own the original skins is way too much. Skins that only change the model and splash art are priced 750 RP. And those actually come with a completely new design, not just an old one with different clothing. 1350 for people who don't own the original is fine. But for people who already have them, they already payed for most of the content that those are offering. Those should be 750 maximum.
: The asking price of around 900 RP is absurd. For around the same price someone could buy Justicar Syndra, BM Evelynn, or even Crabgot which have vastly different particles and models. Rebuying the same skin for such a price doesn't make sense. The base price without the originals is fair, but paying so much for some edits to skins we already own is just a no. Using wishful thinking, I'd love them at a 520 RP price, but 750 RP is fair.
I think 520 could be fair too if you consider that the designs are already super similar, while other 750 RP skins have a completely new ones. But considering only the "different model = 750 RP" logic, 750 seems fair. Just not 900 like they're charging lol.
: Thanks for the feedback. Not to get to technical, but there is significantly more work on these than in Chromas. Chromas are just a texture re-color, For the Pajama guardians they are getting a full new model, which also sometimes require tweaks to the rig and animation. For Leona she has a different recall, models (both base and after the ult), and VFX set.
As I said on another comment: Skins with complete new models, but no new VFX/SFX, traditionally cost 750 RP. Not 945. This discount is still too low, even if we're not comparing it to chromas.
: Introducing Variants: Pajama Guardians & Solar and Lunar Eclipse Leona
The Star Guardian variants are way too expensive for people who already own the original ones. It's the same effects and VFX. It should be at least 750 RP. That is how much skins with new models but no new effects have always cost. I don't see why should those be any more expensive, considering the designs are even more similar than usual 750 RP skins(again, I mean for people who already own the traditional Star Guardians).
: > I'd like to point out two things real quick; first of all, just "trash the skin" isn't constructive. Constructive is about "i don't like X for reason Y, and Z is how I think it can be improved." Exactly this. While yes, 'this is trash' shows your distaste with a skin, but if we're going to ship the skin (which 99% of the time we do), we'd like to know what specifically you don't like so we can discuss potential tweaks. If nothing else, it can help us better inform the choices we make for future skins. > Secondly, it's great that Fairy Flan is showing interest towards what the LeBlanc mains would rather see, but it's much more likely to see one of those suggestions become a new skin in the (potentially far away) future and not a replacement of the current Program one. That's correct, we aren't scrapping Program LeBlanc for another skin, it's more of a question of what would you like to see in the future if robots aren't your jam. > I've been trying to find the "Sewn Chaos is cancelled" thread, but if I recall correctly Riot mentioned they were already far in the process of "hey are we cancelling these?" by the time the skins hit PBE. There were talks prior to PBE about if these were hitting were hitting the quality bar, yes. It was something that we admittedly should have called out/discussed sooner, before it hit PBE. > Edit: don't get me wrong, I don't mean to take anything away from the concerns you raise. We all have opinions and we all deserve to be heard on them - I just feel like opinions have to be clarified as much as possible. 100% agree with this. Please share your thoughts, but be specific in your like/dislikes!
I think that what makes people most upset, in LeBlanc's case more than Nami, is that they feel like now they're probably gonna have to wait years for a skin they actually like. They had to wait years for her to be reverted already, and now that she is they're all passionate about playing her again, and so a new skin for her is something that they have been anticipating and that should have been a great moment. But then you guys made one with a theme that doesn't resonate at all with most of her playerbase, and it really feels like a blow in the face.
: THAT SKIN FOR LB DOES NOT COMBINE, LB IS BAD! THE CYBERNETIC LINE IS A GOOD PART OF THE UNIVERSE COMBAT MACHINE ... BY THE LOVE OF GOD RIOT, CANCELA {{champion:7}} {{sticker:sg-janna}}
I think you're trying to say "That skin doesn't match LeBlanc". "Combine" is not the english translation of combina in portuguese.
: PBE Bugs & Feedback Thread: Program LeBlanc!
Unfortunately I guess I don't have any useful feedback for the actual skin... Basically, I just don't see how Riot thought Program LeBlanc was the best idea... And I mean in both "Why LeBlanc of all people for the Program line?" and "Why Program of all lines for Leblanc?" ways. Does Riot just not think about the audience for a skin at all? Something like "I guess Star Guardian would be popular between Ahri players"(Mentioning a supposedly good fit here). This really got me thinking. I don't think LeBlanc mains are into this theme at all. If you ask any LB player which skin they would have for LB like, yesterday, no one would say Program. You can see a lot of discontentment on reddit and other social media, there's probably more people disappointed that she's more likely not gonna get another skin for a while now than people actually excited for this. And, I imagine the people who are into the Program line(who I feel like it's not that much people, this line is far from being on Star Guardian/Project/Arcade/Pulsefire level of popularity) is also not that into LB.
Rioter Comments
: Personally I like how her gun is at the moment making the gun purple too would make it boring looking to me. :)
"Boring-looking" it's a weird idea. Purple, at least on that tone, it's still a pretty vibrant color. Gangplank's gun matches the colors on the skin. Do you think that's boring? The huge pink part doesn't match the rest of the skin, not only on the literal sense that there's no pink on her outfit, but that the pink feels weirdly out of place when put right next to her model considering all the tones on it(hair,bikini,accesories,skin). Zoe's skin has lots of different colors on her body, but here, it's just the gun. Instead of the whole skin feeling like all like a rainbow, it feels like the gun it's a totally separate piece instead of part of the puzzle on the whole thing. AND you can barely see it on the splash art.
: PBE Bugs & Feedback Thread: Pool Party and Headhunter Akali Chromas!
I feel like Rose Quartz Caitlyn could have the same hair color as Rose Quartz Taric, this sort of grey-ish blonde. I think it fits the pastel colors very well, matches with another chroma from the same "line", and Catseye and Aquamarine already have some brownish tones, while a lighter one like that is missing(the Ruby's hair is like suuuper yellow, not really the same).
: Pool Party Caitlyn
Hi, well I love this skin, but one thing that has been bugging me a lot is her gun. Specifically, the fact that the gun doesn't match her clothes AT ALL. I'm assuming that it was made like this for the skin to be more colorful, but, I think it's really jarring right now. I made an edit changing it from pink to purple. I think it still looks pretty colorful and vibrant like that, while matching the other colors a lot more. Because there's blue and yellow on it + her hair is darker and the hat/cape/etc are all white I don't think it's too much purple. https://i.imgur.com/xG80gwX.png[/img] https://i.imgur.com/Z4wj8MC.png[/img] It would also look much better on the splash art. The way it is right now, the float is the same color as the pink part of the gun and the gun it's not so visible. https://i.imgur.com/LR0rLC7.png[/img]
: Akali skins are all green now i guess
Well Tamar, have you read her lore? /jk
: We felt this was most appropriate for her in this particular thematic, they're all ready for battle and off for adventure.
Well, I can understand that, but I'd argue that Rakan has a whole side of his chest and an arm showing. Still really think it would be good to take away the "pile of blue" feeling she kinda has now...
: Hi hi! I appreciate the feedback! Happy to provide a bit of context around these. > EZREAL: Welp, the concept art looks like more... Clean? Like, the blue hair is great, but, he fits more with an lighter hair, like the blue ezreal ~chroma~ skin. Maybe a Light Platinum hair style fits better on him. We felt there was a big overlap with Frosted, another skin with a blue outfit and light hair. The concept in this case was purely directional and was what we showed to the players super early on to ask if what we had concepted matched with what they had in mind. > TALIYAH: The most beautiful model, the worst one with effects. 1- WHERE'S THE SFX???? SHE USES THE BASE SFX??????? REALLY? Rakan's one uses A LOT of SFX, and a skin i've been waiting FOR YEARS have less custom sfx than the Freiljord one?? 2- The VFX for the passive and ultimate was great! But, i feel the Q and E doesn't have "blue things" enough. She REALLY needs something "lighter", something that will bright more than her blue and fantastic scarf. The model of that skin doesn't match with de FX, and doesn't like to be priced with 1350 RP, like the Xayah/Rakan ones. She does have custom SFX. If they're playing base, this is a bug. > XAYAH: DELIGHTFUL, REALLY DELIGHTFUL. i'm the globglogabgalab, i love books. The best xayah skin since today. BUT, like ezreal, hair it could be... Dark blue, or a lighter blue. White hair didn't look great with her. We heard player feedback last time on the Sweetheart skins that they were too opposite and should match more. We were hesitant because they have similar cape reads. We pushed them closer together, but for the sake of having them still be clear as to who was who at a glance, we opted to give Xayah white hair.
I'm one of those people who wished Sweetheart Rakan and Xayah matched a bit more, and I'm glad that this time they're closer! Thanks for taking that into consideration.
: PBE Bugs & Feedback Thread: SSG Skins
Ok, I looked at the concept art and compared now, and I have a question... Why does Xayah have her legs covered? I don't understand. I think the skin would look better if it showed a little skin. She's like covered from head to toe, nothing you can see besides the face... I think it would add a more feminine touch and even make things more clear on the design(I think it actually seems kinda hard to even realize she has pants, when she's already covered in blue on the rest of the outfit).
: PBE Bugs & Feedback Thread: SSG Skins
I know you can't change the color entirely, but I think Xayah's ears could use just a little more blue. Make it more gradient, instead of just a blue tip at the top, which is what it looks like now and it's kinda weird imo.
: PBE Bugs & Feedback Thread: Profile Background Picker!
Could the current backgrounds for ultimate icons be lined up with these? Lux and Sona look much better with this than with the icon equipped.
: Hey friends, sorry I'm late, I didn't mean the changes to blindside anybody, here to explain why: About the horn changes we agreed on what most of you guys said about it clicking too lunar wraith-y and felt having a more gold would not only reduce that vibe, but give it higher Blood Moon resemblance. Thanks for letting us know! About the white/off-pink hair, we considered this but like I said yesterday, it blends in with Blood Moon Eve's paler skin too much at game height. About adding kimono sleeves, we also considered this but admire her current short kimono: Japanese-style wrap with obi sash and back ribbon. Also adding kimono sleeves would takeaway from her demon hands/claws -- too much going on. Thank you so much for all the feedback and really sorry not all of you are happy. I promise we tried our best, we took a whole day's worth of dev time if not more mulling over feedback, including trying them out. We really like how she looks now and fits into the Blood Moon thematic.
So, I really like the changes. The new horn and hair colors look great imo... The only thing though: Shouldn't her lashes be updated too to match the very red hair now? I feel like those two colors matching makes the skin all more... cohesive? It felt a bit eeehh with the more pink tone, but the red tone now really pops and I think it would make it all more appealing.
: Dropping the mana regen on frostfang and making tear cost more is gonna be pretty rough for Sona... I'm sure the other supports will be fine, but man, that's a little too harsh on Sona with no compensation.
They barely thought of the AP supports... Ugh, Sona is on such a bad state already :(
: keep in mind they also work on making bot lane not adc only place. So it'll impact adc too. But this thread isn't related to adc. Don't get emotional when its still in test.
It's stupid to make bot lane not adc only. It's either just not gonna work or be completely terrible for ADCs.
: Mana changes coming to PBE today
Yeah, sure, let's just destroy mages completely. I'm sure that won't have a negative impact. And also, screw all the AP supports with it, great.
Rioter Comments
: that's some great feedback, thanks! i'll let the team know and we'll talk about it {{champion:432}}
No, don't get rid of the exposed chest on the sides!!! Maybe make it more of a square shape, but don't cover it completely.
: Irelia Bug Discussion
Order Of The Lotus splash art was tweaked again today(mostly kept the face of the second version and everything got back to the old), but it came with a little error. There's a colored(mostly purple) line on the right edge of the image, that wasn't there on the previous two versions. https://i.imgur.com/ch2f09F.png[/img]
: Infiltrator Irelia Feedback/Edit
Monday and still nothing x.x C'mon guys. List of the reasons why I think this has to be added: 1 - It adds consistency to the splash. 2 - It adds something interesting to the skin(headphones) that the others don't have. 3 - It fits the new design of Infiltrator, with this kind of eletronic vibe. 4 - The dark black/blue colors with silver on the edges look better than just plain silver, as it matches with the rest of her costume. 5 - Her head/hair looks better with something on top of it.
: Irelia Bug Discussion
So, here are all my notes on Irelia's skins. I think that after this, I have nothing else to say. Sorry if that's a lot, and for those bad little edits that go along with it(don't laugh!). Tried to make it all stuff that Riot hasn't responded to/hasn't been mentioned by everyone already. 1 - I think her outfit on the base splash it's a bit too light pink. I think it would be a lot better being a liittle more dark and red: https://i.imgur.com/kNyoUFr.png[/img] 2 - Order of The Lotus. A lot of people miss the blades on this one being golden. I think it would be nice if the white parts around them was changed to gold, while the pink pattern is still there inside. I also think her outfit would be better being a little lighter like before, with the petals on the blades being darker/more vivid, for the two to match. https://i.imgur.com/ifgDMk4.png[/img] 3 - Frostlade's blades kinda look too dark, plain and plastic. I think making it a bit lighter and maybe adding some texture would improve them. Also think it would be really nice to have snowing effects around the blades on Frostblade's ult. 4 - Chance is that you already saw it on all my other posts, and soorry for being annoying and repetitive, but Infiltrator Irelia... On the splash she has some cool black headphones, but in the model it's the usual silver headpiece. I really really think the headphones look much better and adds something cool to the skin's design. And the black with silver around goes much better with the rest of the outfit than just silver. Bonus more neon-like hair and lipstick. https://i.imgur.com/VVOZyv3.png[/img]
: These Ahri changes seem A LOT like Janna all over again
She needs that buff though. She doesn't have enough damage, and the only reason she has a good/decent winrate is that the movement speed on her Q makes her really easy to survive and escape. That's why they're taking that away and buffing her damage.
: I kneeeww she was lacking something but didn't know what and i think that's it!
Right? It really makes all the difference imo.
Rioter Comments
: Irelia Bug Discussion
So, I love the new Infiltrator Irelia, but, when I first saw the model after being so excited with the splash art, I knew something was off. So I looked and found what the big difference was: The headpiece. On the splash art, they're like headphones, with a line on the middle to connect them, of course. In-game, they're just like Irelia's normal headpiece. On the splash, they match the black/grey tone in her costume, with a silver line at the edge, while in-game they're purely silver. I think the splash look is a much more cool one, so I made a little edit. https://i.imgur.com/VVOZyv3.png[/img] Besides that, I also made the colors on her hair and lips a bit more like the splash, though this is not as important. I think those changes make the skin much more appealing and with a stronger theme. And it also adds consistency to the splash.
: Irelia Bug Discussion
Is there gonna be a feedback thread for the skins? Or should we post it here?
: Premium GGMF icon doesnt change your profile background
I sent it to LoveStrut on Twitter. Whether it's intentional or not, hope it can get fixed/changed.
: A few updates to GGMF are gonna be hitting PBE today! If you got any feedback, please feel free to hit us up with any comments. :)
I like the icons and the new idle animation, thanks! Don't want to be greedy, but if she could get one or a couple more anims, that'd be really great. Also, like others have said, some freckles would be nice. They're not visible on the animated splashes and icons, what I imagine is a little mistake, since they're there on the normal version of the splash. Plus they're not in the model at all. I think at least Scarlet Flair should have it. I'm fine with the others not having it because it makes the forms more different from each other. Could you say whether there are any changes on textures and such? Can't check it now.
: Why is there a "premium bundle" for an ultimate skin? Shouldn't everything just be included with the skin? And why are parts of it time-limited? The skin should be great enough that we want to buy it ASAP, rather than us feeling like we'll permanently lose out on something if we don't spring on it. Not a fan of the "buy the DELUXE skin for the border!" trend, it completely killed my interest in the Chinese New Year event/skins and the Star Guardian skins. I've liked unlocking everything I could, but I've only done it on fair terms. I've supported the game since S2 but don't really see that continuing if you continue to be aggressive about artificially increasing skin costs. If you want us to pay more, please just increase the price and cut the scummy tactics.
This! Border used to be for everyone who bought it early. I don't want the ward skin(the icon not that much either), the border needs to be available other way :(
: PBE Bugs & Feedback Thread: Gun Goddess Miss Fortune!
A pretty small and reasonable suggestion: Give her some freckles! At least on the Scarlet Flair skin. She has it on the splash and they're on most if not all of Miss Fortune's skins. Also, as I said before red lipstick for Zero Hour. Matches the gun, makes her face a bit more vivid, looks good with the blonde hair.
: GGMF | Minor changes but a different look!
Different hairstyles would really make all the difference. It's a shame.
: Ok, lower the price then, 475RP less than Elementalist Lux is not that much. Ultimate's early sales cost 2450RP, this should be the new tier, not 2775RP for that skin. The 2775RP price is just for you guys to put the skin for 2450RP in the early sale, even to the discount she wil lose to Elementalist Lux. Also, the premium bundle is too expensive, I know that we have 1 ward , 1 icon and a border, but with Elementalist Lux, the "Premium Bundle" costs 700RP more with 5 new icons and a ward that changes to match your element. With GGMF we get only 1 icon and a poor ward for 725RP. I love GGMF and MF, but comparing to Elementalist Lux she loss in so many aspects. I hope you guys can at least change the price.
Yeah 2450 feels more fair. It hurts my soul that you need to buy that bundle to get the border. I'm not interested on the ward skin.
: Hiii, friends! Thank you all so much for leaving your feedback here and elsewhere! Everyone on the team is reading through the comments. Sorry for taking so long to respond here. As you can expect out of a tech-intensive skin like GGMF, there are a lot of bugs. o_O I don't get to make the decisions here, but I can act as an advisory source of information and at least bring these points to the decision-makers. With all that said, I wanted to provide a bit of context on some of the common points brought up in this thread (and other online sources). **"WTF is up with her face and neck in the splash art?!"** * You can expect to see an update to this in the next PBE deploy! Hopefully the changes feel better to ya'll. **"Her VO doesn't sound like Miss Fortune! And why all the sexual lines?"** * Unfortunately, we couldn't get base MF's voice actress for this skin, so that was unavoidable. As for all the sexualized lines, we actually got that same feedback during the process to tone down the seductive lines and add more of that fierce Captain Fortune vibe, so we ended up adding in more "vicious" and "cutthroat" lines for events that tend to play more often (e.g. Long Move, Attack). We honestly feel good about the current state of her VO in regards to capturing MF in this universe. **"These forms look like _chromas_, change the models!"** * Unfortunately, there are limitations that prevent us from changing the models at this stage. We can make minor tweaks to the textures however. **"Why does the jetpack VFX blink?"** * With the way the VFX is set up to play from the animation, this is an unavoidable side-effect. We managed to make this a little less noticeable at least! **"The animations are way too close to base!"** * Keeping the animations fairly close to base was a concession that we had to make early on in development. If a marksman is going to be able to transform an unlimited amount of times throughout the game with varying particles (as well as a very different silhouette with her shoulder-pieces, exo-suit, and guns), we have to make tough choices to keep consistency with Base MF in several areas to maintain the MF read. **"Change the in-game portraits to match with the splash!"** * There aren't any plans to do this at the moment, but I can check with the team and see what they think. If we can leverage Elementalist Lux's tech and iterate on the splash easily, then there's a possibility, but the timeline is still super tight. **"Bring her back into production and re-release her at the typical Ultimate skin price."** * Mr. Cactopus addressed that [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/82pel6/riot_should_bring_back_gun_goddess_mf_in/dvbvyiu/). **"Change her VO lines to be different per form."** * She actually does have unique VO lines per form! Currently, we don't plan on expanding the current list of unique VO lines. **"There's a super annoying bug where she appears at the edge of the Fog of War!"** * This should be fixed now!
Tldr: Don't bother posting feedback. The skin is just gonna ship as it is, even if everyone's underwhelmed... Could as well just have made the title "PBE Bug Report Thread" instead... Honestly the fact that not even the idle animation can be changed, when Star Guardian Miss Fortune, a 1350 skin can... I know there's a reasoning but it doesn't feel fair that people who want to buy the skin are just gonna have to suck it up because someone might not be smart enough to know that's Miss Fortune... I think most people won't miss that she's getting an ultimate skin. Star Guardian MF actually has colors less readable as MF than the Scarlet Fair suit. Could have changed that one and keep the others with the old animation...
: PBE Bugs & Feedback Thread: Pizza Delivery Sivir!
Also wish she had a homeguard animation in her bike! It's too much of a missed opportunity. It would feel like you're riding to deliver the pizza, then when you come in lane you go and give them to the clients/enemies. It really adds to the fantasy of the skin, I don't know why it wasn't prioritized.
: PBE Bugs & Feedback Thread: Pizza Delivery Sivir!
This skin is amazing. Beautiful. Perfect(minus the pineapples). The only thing I have to say is something very minor, about her [loading screen](https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-fdfD4fOA-dk/WqBZVxpy_2I/AAAAAAAA6sE/TOqo6kuDAvI17-RV0lpGVf_sJdKJFjvXgCLcBGAs/s1600/1af3e41f8e41b650.png). You can barely see her ponytail on it, so it's kinda weird, like she just had short hair on a cap? Maybe zoom out a little or something.
: Why is the idle/walking animation the same as the base skin? Shouldn't it be different? Nonetheles, cool skin.
Even Star Guardian has a different animation ;( A 1350 skin.
: What do you mean with impossible? Check Project Vayne and Kai'Sa.
I mean that they would ever add it. On Twitter they said they decided not to for clarity or something, and that those concepts were just very early developments...
: Yeah, especially after seeing these awesome helmets and particles in concept art..
I'm fine with just the hair itself and maybe some accessories, since I think helmets and such are really really impossible.
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