: PBE Bugs & Feedback Thread: Papercraft Nunu & Willump!
Not sure if this skin is really a Nunu & Willump skin. When compared to all of their other skins it doesn't really measure up. I do like the effects, just not in love with the skin itself.
: Changes to a champions gameplay does not always warrant testing of its visuals. And aside from a very small percentage of niche cases, if an old skin is bugged on PBE, it is bugged on Live. Bug testing on recent changes or additions means Riot can more easily discern what the issue is and how to fix it.
> [{quoted}](name=Catman,realm=PBE,application-id=A4D2003433C8FCD715185A7264A9CC6FDFAD7FEF,discussion-id=6k9qdzfp,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-01-31T09:53:42.193+0000) > > Changes to a champions gameplay **does not always** warrant testing of its visuals. And aside from a **very small percentage** of niche cases, if an old skin is bugged on PBE, it is bugged on Live. Bug testing on recent changes or additions means Riot can more easily discern what the issue is and how to fix it. So you agree that sometimes these things will need testing, yet they will **never** be able to be tested under the current system.. I think we're done here.
: Buy though Store, not through Collection. Additionally, Akali's skins do not currently need testing and Riot may have disabled some of them as such.
Considering the giant overhaul they did to 2 of her abilities there's precedent for her skins to be tested alongside the updated kit. Really gotta stop with the "oLd ConTEnT doEsn'T NeEd tEStiNg" line, there are plenty of reasons that it might.
: you think maokai is bad? have you seen karthus' infinite Q spam, ezreal's infinite Q spam, garen's infinite spin?
Karthus and Ezreal are nowhere near as oppressive as the actual problem champs..
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: Well my point is moron if teemo didnt get resticted on urf you will not be able to enter the river + baron pit or the jungle bcs it will kills you. I know what you mean Maokai is restricted as well with his suplings bcs it will be the same with bushes there be waiting for you tons of suppling s
Maokai makes sense because you can't use sweeper (or anything else) on them, Teemo's ult wouldn't stop you from doing anything because you have a 0 cooldown sweeper always available. But all of that still begs the question, why do only these guys need to be tuned when bigger problems still exist?
: Bcs Teemo have before ultimate shroom on URF he can SHROOMED All topside jungle. So they disenabled him on urf pick same for Karthus and this year they enabled them, but Teemo have restrictions for REASON. same goes for Maokai only with the restriction on suplings
That doesn't counter a single point I made..
We can all agree that some champs are always going to be better than others, but I think they raised a valid point. Why is Teemo's power artificially limited and not Garen's or any of the others? Teemo's ultimate already becomes useless with the purchase of a single sweeper since it has no cooldown at all, limiting the traps as well just makes it so he literally has no R. Meanwhile there are champions with literally no counterplay and they have yet to receive any tuning at all.
: Testing hello can I participate EDIT: Looking into this! Thanks for the report. I'm not sure what the issue is currently.
: The 9.2 cycle with ARURF+ has been shipped to live: Riot is no longer looking for feedback on PBE. Next time, please try to create these discussions earlier while they still have a chance to be read/considered/implemented. Right now, the best place for your feedback is live boards/reddit.
I know you mean well, but ARURF is _not_ on the Live server yet. The only place it can be experienced right now is on the PBE, therefore my feedback will be presented here. Also, people have different availability, we can't always "create these discussions earlier". I mentioned it as soon as I had enough time to know how I felt on the matter. I don't know if you have an official position with Riot or not, but actively telling people "too late, don't post" is a very strange tactic for a forum. That said, they have hotfixed plenty of things in the past, don't see a reason they couldn't do it again if they felt it was warranted.
: Hey there. could you try seeing if you can post now? We made a change that should have fixed this.
Confirmed! Not sure what happened but tell the appropriate people thanks and good work for me!
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: > [{quoted}](name=howradisit,realm=PBE,application-id=A4D2003433C8FCD715185A7264A9CC6FDFAD7FEF,discussion-id=9EhGErvG,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-08-03T14:22:07.165+0000) > > Is it possible to just make everything in the store cost 1 BE, champs and all? And then basically remove the need to have RP in the PBE environment, at all? We basically used to have a similar system like that before; it overloaded and crashed the entire store because it couldn’t handle the purchases as quickly as they cake in. The current system we have was to prevent just that.
That was only really an issue because of the huge surge of people when PBE became available to all. Now that the hype has died out I doubt it would be that big of a deal.
: I honestly don't know anymore if people in PBE play for RP or to test stuff out... everyday that we don't get the daily RP I find people complain about it, its not like we are here to have free stuff... {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}} btw i'm fine without the daily RP since I got all the skins {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
> [{quoted}](name=Łoli Creampie,realm=PBE,application-id=A4D2003433C8FCD715185A7264A9CC6FDFAD7FEF,discussion-id=9EhGErvG,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-08-02T21:01:26.385+0000) > > btw i'm fine without the daily RP since I got all the skins > {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}} Yeah your opinion matters very little then. Weird that you choose to judge everyone only AFTER you acquired everything. But for anyone else wondering why it's a nuisance.. Bugs can occur with literally anything in the game. Maybe a weird bug only happens between base Pyke and Star Guardian Ahri, kinda hard to find that one if you can't buy either of them.
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: The infamous skin boost abuse. (And a very simple fix to it)
Came here to post this, glad I searched first. This is a real annoyance of mine, especially since getting the champ you want in ARURF is rare.
: > [{quoted}](name=Supportive,realm=PBE,application-id=AYQh7p7O,discussion-id=4EI4fIkY,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2017-11-09T17:40:38.500+0000) > > While I agree that people dodging the queue if they don't get what they want is an issue which should be punished, how hard would it be to differentiate from a crash, or a failure to connect to game error? They're pretty common on the PBE, i get a few for every 10 or so games played. > > It would be wrong to punish people for those things, as it's something they have no control over at all. If a system could be worked on to identify the differences, then sure, it would be really useful. If you disconnect every 10 games or so, then you wouldn't see any kind of impact on your account. This isn't about dc'ing from a game or failing to connect, this is about dodging during champion select because someone has to get whiny over not getting the new champion. It's unlikely that the game would crash during champ select more than once for someone unless there's a specific bug, in which case it should be reported. If they could find a way to have the client recognize the "exit now" button being clicked, then that would be optimal. I don't have time to wait through a million queues because people can't handle not getting Zoe every time they try to play.
Let me poke a huge hole in your plan. Alt+F4. Don't lock in a champion. Right click the client on your start bar and close it there. Unplug your router. Turn off the computer. Etc. The x is never clicked, the game still gets dodged. Riot can't account for all of this, so the only way to implement your plan would be an all inclusive list that gets you a strike no matter what. On a server that definitely isn't stable this is a horrible idea.
: I don't really like the honor 5 requirement...(partially because I am only 4)... but honor is just as much an indicator of how much free time you have on your hands to play league as it is how toxic you are...when I see someone in my game with an honor 5 flare I don't think "wow such a great sportsman" I think "wow they must play a TON"...point being I agree with everything you said except the honor requirement...I just think it will prevent as many well behaved players from being on the server as toxic players. Also, I'm sure there are some people that are not toxic in game, but are greedy and just want to play the new champion
True enough. I'm not a super sportsmanlike player, and I'm sure as he'll not the embodiment of honor, but I hit honor 5 pretty quickly and maintained it. Don't get me wrong, I don't flame everyone I see or anything, but every now and then I'll let someone know. This misconception that everyone at honor 5 has a heart of gold and will never flame you needs to go. We're normal people who just happened to move up the ranks.
: > [{quoted}](name=Xelpi,realm=PBE,application-id=AYQh7p7O,discussion-id=2QqLBJzm,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-11-08T05:02:23.137+0000) > > I understand your main point, however I disagree with "**the whole point is to screw around and find bugs.**", Rioters themselves have said (in another post) that they encourage to play serious / competitive, A.KA not screwing around, or something like that (I can't find the post) I'm pretty sure they've never said that. If they did, it was in the context of more.. not intentionally feeding / doing things that are not viable (playing AP on a champion with 0 AP ratios, for example). I seriously doubt Riot is ever going to discourage anyone from trying to find new and interesting play styles for champions.
I'm not sure how you got "riot said don't try to find new and interesting playstyles" from "riot said they don't want you to screw around".. Lol There's a massive difference between "screwing around" and trying out a hybrid Nidalee with Dark Harvest.
: No fucking way dude, the clear is so horrible, her cooldowns are way too long for her to be able to do anything, she cant do anything against invades, without blue buff she can literally take like one camp Its so bad please dont make yourself suffer
You're likely just bad at it tbh (no flame). I've played her exclusively in the jungle and I've done spectacular every time. With decent kiting you can clear anything, and if you get invaded you just E them and either walk away or kill them if you can. Not to mention the ganks are insane since your bubble will clear any wall you want to throw it through.
: Overcharge is not healthy fun
Preach. A gamemode that's only fun while you're stomping is a bad game mode. There are obvious "good" and "bad" picks which also ruins the fun. And It's WAY too easy to get away from fights when you're on the "good" champions. They basically never have to fight you until they overcharge. Not to mention it's still hilariously easy to get away from the overcharged people. Map is beautiful, idea is amazing, execution is garbage. Might even be more fun with melee champs instead of/along side the marksman.
Was super curious what the bug was, thanks for posting!
: > [{quoted}](name=MichielSlijpen,realm=PBE,application-id=cMKtzQHY,discussion-id=Ezbvjs3w,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-11-05T12:09:47.602+0000) > > You sound so ignorant. Everything new added to the PBE needs testing. The Urf ww skin has been completely reworked. How can you even think of comparing it with ''test from 2 years ago''. They created these skins from scratch, they didn't paint over the old warwick model and skins. > > They all did need testing, but because the PBE has to resemble the Live Servers everything needs to be available. It doesn't work like that. Urfwick (the one in the BE shop) is *exactly* the same as Warwick the Manatee (the original skin, which was tested along with the Warwick VGU), *except* for the recall. So basically all Riot did was copy the skin, rename it, and add a recall. The skin doesn't need full testing like other skins do. It's already been tested about a year ago, as Sarah said. Urfwick wasn't created from scratch. I've seen the skin plenty atm, also by people that I know test well. if there was something gamebreakinig on that skin, someone will have reported it. Either way, it doesn't matter know. The 7.22 cycle is locked: this is how everything is going to ship to live.
You ever see Urfwick get his recall stopped by Zed ulting him at the same time Ashe's ult makes contact with him? Maybe he gets stuck in the fancy new recall animation forever now, maybe he doesn't. Would be a lot easier to find out if all of us had access to it though.
: It's ok you're just ignorant. Read what Amy said. {{sticker:sg-ahri-2}}
Your friend Amy is wrong, shocker. As explained a thousand times, **changing anything can trigger consequences**. Changing a recall fits into this category. Adding a crown to the skin for original owners fits into this category. Touching up tiny things like particles... You see where this is going. Ironic you would use the word "ignorant" while continuing to be willfully ignorant even though I've explained why you're wrong 4 times already. Lol
: katarina Summon Arei
You're not really "using a spell on them" though. You're just using a spell that **puts** you on them. Huge difference.
: Two separate icons to differenciate PBE and Regular LoL ?
Labeling it "PBE" and not "League of Legends" is enough for most of us..
: 0 Reason? You mean theres no reason why there's a BE shop where they said before you can buy the Urf skins. And everything comes on PBE before live, if you werent aware. Just because you or some new people cant doesnt mean theres an issue/problem like you stated. Also dont say 'literally every new PBE user cant get it' I call major BS. Youre just one of the few people who cant get it. No need to cry over it and make up a reason. Plus you dont NEED EVERYTHING in the shop because nothing in that store needs to be tested. Lastly just because the skin is up doesnt mean it ALWAYS needs testing. That would mean 'all' the skins need testing, because theyre 'all' available in the shop right?
One of the few? Literally every new player doesn't have enough BE for it. Not a few. Not one or two. Not just a vast majority. LITERALLY NONE OF US HAVE ENOUGH. Lastly, the pinned post **literally** (again) says that some items are removed from the shop because they don't need tested. Therefore anything in there does, in fact, need testing. Maybe Sherwood Forest Ashe has a game breaking bug while in a game with Urfwick. How will we know if a good portion of people can't get it so that combination of champs and skins never happens. Again, learn some code. Any changes can have unintended consequences and that is **exactly** what PBE is here to find.
: To be fair though, PTA sounds decent on her so I don't see any harm for her to go precision for the 18% AS. And if it's purely for jungling, machete gives the 15% that you'll be losing out from the quints for clearing purposes, and you have (I think?) a buffed base AD on top of that.
OP mentioned earlier that their complaint is directed towards "lane Vi" (lol). Why someone would think we should add attack speed to a jungle champ just so top lane works out better for them is beyond me though. Especially with machete giving AS in the jungle.
: So do you normally play games where your primary squishy target just stands there and allows you, at melee range, to slap them 3 times with 3 consecutive auto attacks to even proc that keystone? And then allow you to slap them some more with all that attack speed but no AD? That doesn't happen past silver. She cannot reliably proc Press the Attack because abilities don't count toward proccing it. Only auto attacks count toward it. She only reliably gets 2 autos off in a Q AA E combo. After that she gets peeled and has to use her ult, which again is not an auto so she still hasn't procced this worthless keystone before using her ult, so it's damage does not get amplified. Then she finally gets a third auto off after her ult, where the target finally starts taking increased damage for maybe one more auto attack before you get peeled again. Wow, sounds really good. You really think that is comparably good to Electrocute or Dark Harvest or even freaking Arcane Comet or Phase Rush? All three Precision keystones are terrible in comparison.
If you can't get off more than two autos on a champ with 2 gap closers and an AA reset the problem is with you and not the runes or the champion. Lol
: Please buff Vi base attack speed. She feels so clunky early game without AS Quints...
Can't take precision? Why not? Press the Attack actually has great synergy with her kit. I do agree that she shouldn't be **forced** into that tree, but to say she can't use it at all is just misinformation.
: I call bs on most people because ive seen that skin in every other game. Also just cause it has a new recall or whatever bs you want to call touch up doesnt mean it needs testing. And rioters dont need any feedback or have asked for feedback for the Urf skin.
Are you familiar with the term "anecdotal evidence"? Just because you **claim** to see the skin often doesn't change the fact that literally every new PBE user can't get it. I actually haven't seen the skin once since I've started playing PBE. Also updating **anything** can have unexpected interactions, learn a thing or two about code. Lastly, if it didn't need testing there would be literally 0 reason to put it up, yet they did.
: I feel like increasing the base stats of champions was a bit excessive.
But the guy you'll be hitting had their base armor increased as well.. So it doesn't matter that your AD is higher because it's still getting cut down by the extra armor they got. As for the rest of the argument, all champions hurt when they reach full build (and are building damage), so that's not really specific to MF. I killed a few people yesterday with LITERALLY one auto on Master Yi. Same thing with Nidalee. Also did it with Ekko, Shen, Yasuo, Khazix and Rengar just to name a few. All of this was because I got hilariously fed, not because of a few tweaks to base stats.
: Honestly the health bar changes should be reverted
Yet another huge fan of the new bars here. I can't think of a single problem with them. They display things accurately and are noticeable enough. That's really all you can ask for.
: What's the countless bug?? The thing they're testing is the BE Shop, the Urf skin has be tested 2 years ago, they just brought it back. Also I bought everything in the store so {{sticker:sg-ezreal}}
The skin was actually touched up a bit, so a 2 year old test isn't gonna cut it here. And the problem still remains that most of us can't get ANY of the BE content, let alone all of it.
: ***
This is just as dismissive as the annoying pop-up that also blames our connections. I frequently encounter this error on stream and my viewers that are playing with me also don't connect 100% of the time. The problem isn't our connection.
: The folks that had there BE reset to 20K from a higher value, I am sorry. That was totally my fault for not making a complete think about how to implement the change. We are looking into a way we can identify those accounts, but we don't have any leads yet. Again, I am sorry. {{champion:32}}
Ah, well I'm definitely one of those. Actually just got done making a post in GD wondering why we lost all our resources and the shop has less options.


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