: > [{quoted}](name=SadStarGuardian,realm=PBE,application-id=AYQh7p7O,discussion-id=FNgqL0lo,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-08-29T15:05:09.231+0000) > > Give us a light form chroma/toggle also :) > > nobody asked for these specific chromas and they have let us down. We wanted light forms of xayah and rakan. The Xayah and Rakan Chromas will have unique light forms to them
> [{quoted}](name=Riot Orphyre,realm=PBE,application-id=AYQh7p7O,discussion-id=FNgqL0lo,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-09-02T11:05:21.679+0000) > > The Xayah and Rakan Chromas will have unique light forms to them I think you misunderstood my comment, I am asking we be able to play as the base skins light forms and not the dark ones at all. I realize the chromas have dark and light textures of each chroma. Unless... riot changed their minds and is letting us have the light version of xayah and rakans star guardian skin??? which would be a m a z i n g
: Lightform Xayah & Rakan made by a Guy!
riot being lazy and not listening to community feedback has ended up with fans having to do their job. sad part is custom skins can get us banned now... so who even knows if we'll be able to use these safely
: Star Guardian Little Legends (Little Guardians) Feedback
Riot is really doing a bad job with the star guardians this year.. Everyone wanted xayah and rakans light forms as a chroma but instead we got ugly ones nobody asked for (aside from the blue xayah one which is okay.) apparently we arent getting an event, only missions. the little legends are random new familiars with no guardians when all of the others familiars would have been so much better. prestige neeko is locked behind a pay wall. no return of invasion mode. just over all disappointed this year.
: PBE Bugs & Feedback Thread: Star Guardian Xayah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ydq-HPNzGk people are already modding the game to have light guardians cuz riot wont do it... lol this really is a missed opportunity for money on riots part
: PBE Bugs & Feedback Thread: Star Guardian Xayah
I remember last year you guys were trying to charge 1350 for pajama guardians and the community was pissed so you had to lower the price. Why do you keep messing with star guardians skinline? we never asked for pajama guardians or the xayah rakan chromas you gave us. we want normal star guardians (the light forms) AND their dark form! this should have been OBVIOUS! what about this is hard to understand? just give us a chroma. all of the excuses we've heard make no sense. please dont ignore what the fans are asking for. this really will be a huge mistake.
: PBE Bugs & Feedback Thread: Star Guardian Xayah
"we're gonna milk star guardians for all their worth with chromas, prestige and little legends but a light form of xayah and rakan??? nonono thats too much to ask for" - RIOT 2019
: PBE Bugs & Feedback Thread: Star Guardian Xayah
I am going to keep commenting until riot gives us something better than this (or I get tired). {{sticker:sg-zephyr}} There are many ideas to improve these skins. Here is an organized list; **_ * Give us a simple recolor chroma that swaps the colors on the base skin * Extend the time in light form from ulti until death * Give us a toggle to choose which form we, THE PLAYERS, want to be in * Give us a completely new side skin using old animations, recalls and VO but with the light star guardian colors ((low effort)) * Give us a new side skin exactly like this one, but the complete opposite in colors (from dark to light) with new particles and old VO ((mild effort)) * If you change nothing, Reduce the price of these skins (because the community is pissed) * Give us a variant like the Pajama guardians but of Xayah and Rakans light forms (Called Origin Guardians or something) * Delay the xayah/rakan skins, take them back and work on them until you can put something out that the community is pleased with (not cancel them, but FIX them) * Change the names from Star Guardians to Fallen Guardians, because these do NOT feel like star guardians _** literally we are all willing to pay money for a light version LET US GIVE YOU MONEY {{sticker:sg-lux-2}}
: "Lazy product " jeez, calm down. The skins are amazing. Making Light Form an option somehow would make them even more amazing.
> [{quoted}](name=Pokemario,realm=PBE,application-id=AYQh7p7O,discussion-id=qZljIOKQ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-29T15:14:01.744+0000) > > "Lazy product " jeez, calm down. The skins are amazing. Making Light Form an option somehow would make them even more amazing. compared to other legendary skins this is lazy the animations are the same as base and the only difference is lack luster voice over and the recalls I am not saying I dont like them or think they are cool but they have more potential to be even better with the community feedback, but are choosing to be lazy and not fix it
: PBE Bugs & Feedback Thread: Star Guardian Chromas!
Give us a light form chroma/toggle also :) nobody asked for these specific chromas and they have let us down. We wanted light forms of xayah and rakan.
: The light chroma idea is great and I completely agree with you. Though by thinking about it I noticed that the chroma itself would create kind of a lot of problems overall. I mean when Xayah transforms in her ult, and that you already have light chroma, you will transform from light to light ? Right ? It would feel kind of weird. It would create the same problems in every other spells, backs, but also voicelines. As a solution, Riot will need to create a new skin. It would take too much time, because it implies changing the spell colours, but also make new voice lines (so make come each voice actor of both characters for every language again to record voicelines), a new splash art. And if it would come later for the same 1850 prize people would complain for a reduction (like Solar/Lunar eclipse Leona or The Star/Pajama Guardians). From that point of view, it feels kind of impossible to make a skin like this in time and with a good quality, and wouldn't be worth it for them in terms of time and money spent.
> [{quoted}](name=Lexis,realm=PBE,application-id=AYQh7p7O,discussion-id=Yf0OzEyH,comment-id=00010004000100000000,timestamp=2019-08-29T13:57:25.813+0000) > > The light chroma idea is great and I completely agree with you. > > Though by thinking about it I noticed that the chroma itself would create kind of a lot of problems overall. I mean when Xayah transforms in her ult, and that you already have light chroma, you will transform from light to light ? Right ? It would feel kind of weird. It would create the same problems in every other spells, backs, but also voicelines. Which would make them need to create a new skin. It would take too much time, because it implies changing the spell colours, but also make new voice lines (so make come each voice actor of both characters for every language again to record voicelines), a new splash art. And it would come later for the same 1850 prize people would complain for a reduction (like Solar/Lunar eclipse or The Star/Pajama Guardians). > From that point of view, it feels kind of impossible to make it in time and with a good quality with less people complains, and wouldn't be worth it for them in terms of time and money spent. they could easily just extend the time in light form from ultimate until death/recall like with eclipse leona and the issue would be solved. chromas in general dont work with this skin though, dont know why the even bothered making any.
: I really like what Riot chose to do with this round of star guardian skins, rather than just piling on with more of the same cute theme, they tried to add a new story angle to it and expand on the star guardian skin universe, at least to some extend. And I hope they do a really good job at bringing this story forward when they release the skins. To support this story I would like to see more than the 3 sec of the "pre-darkened" star guardian skin while you back to base. I have seen a lot of suggestions to add a chroma or a toggle. Adding the toggle would mean you could start as "good" and become "evil" vice versa, during the game, which could add to the experience of playing with the skin, where the chroma option, to me, would seem like an afterthought/"band-aid solution". With the 1820RP price it should be possible to have a skin toggle, however this might be above the price range considering Gun Goddess Miss Fortune had the 2775RP price. But she also had 4 different models and skins. Where Rakans Star Guardian skin would have the same model with alternative "good" version of the star guardian skin. REF: [Guide to Skin Price Tiers](https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752874)
> [{quoted}](name=CavinePBE,realm=PBE,application-id=AYQh7p7O,discussion-id=Hjurdv51,comment-id=0039,timestamp=2019-08-29T11:37:17.002+0000) > > I really like what Riot chose to do with this round of star guardian skins, rather than just piling on with more of the same cute theme, they tried to add a new story angle to it and expand on the star guardian skin universe, at least to some extend. And I hope they do a really good job at bringing this story forward when they release the skins. > > To support this story I would like to see more than the 3 sec of the "pre-darkened" star guardian skin while you back to base. > I have seen a lot of suggestions to add a chroma or a toggle. Adding the toggle would mean you could start as "good" and become "evil" vice versa, during the game, which could add to the experience of playing with the skin, where the chroma option, to me, would seem like an afterthought/"band-aid solution". > > With the 1820RP price it should be possible to have a skin toggle, however this might be above the price range considering Gun Goddess Miss Fortune had the 2775RP price. But she also had 4 different models and skins. Where Rakans Star Guardian skin would have the same model with alternative "good" version of the star guardian skin. REF: [Guide to Skin Price Tiers](https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752874) these skins arent worth 1820 in my eyes. they are supposed to be legendary but there isnt much legendary about them. they have almost the exact same animations aside from recall, and they dont fit the title of star guardian and have made the fanbase upset. at this point with how many people are upset, youd think they would dumb the price down or just give us a chroma and move on. edit: also lol their voice lines dont reflect struggling to be light or dark, they are just edgy for the lulz
Rioter Comments
: The answer was already stated [here](https://boards.pbe.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/client-new-features-feedback/Yf0OzEyH-pbe-bugs-feedback-thread-star-guardian-xayah?comment=00010004). IF we get an uncorrupted form, Riot first has to make it. You don't just simply create a new skin overnight. They might have a good model for the base uncorrupted form but everything else (new uncorrupted animations, particles, etc) has to be made first. Don't give up on that idea. They heard us, they acknowledged it, they reacted to it. They may work on it when they got the time.
> [{quoted}](name=Iron Division,realm=PBE,application-id=AYQh7p7O,discussion-id=ZMFkFqzZ,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-08-29T11:51:01.437+0000) > > The answer was already stated [here](https://boards.pbe.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/client-new-features-feedback/Yf0OzEyH-pbe-bugs-feedback-thread-star-guardian-xayah?comment=00010004). > IF we get an uncorrupted form, Riot first has to make it. You don't just simply create a new skin overnight. They might have a good model for the base uncorrupted form but everything else (new uncorrupted animations, particles, etc) has to be made first. > > Don't give up on that idea. They heard us, they acknowledged it, they reacted to it. They may work on it when they got the time. They have alot of time before this goes live to try and fix it. All we need is a chroma and this could all be solved, and funnily enough, that could be done very quick. They don't care about our feedback, otherwise theyd be trying to make up for this mess before release.
: PBE Bugs & Feedback Thread: Star Guardian Rakan
I am unhappy with the decision not to have a chroma or toggle. I however would at least be pleased if we could be in light form longer on both xayah and rakan. the models are so well done and beautiful, it truly feels like a waste not to see them longer. we can still have the struggle from light to dark that way, and at least some people will be satisfied. making them go into light form from ult until they recall would honestly be sufficient, or have us start the game in light form and they get darker as the game progresses. please just anything that isnt... this
: Whilst I think this is a neat idea, it would be kinda hard to see Xayah through Rakan's shield during that moment. Also, since we're currently linking light form with her Ultimate, it might confuse people and make them think she had just used her ult.
> [{quoted}](name=Riot Beardilocks,realm=PBE,application-id=AYQh7p7O,discussion-id=Hjurdv51,comment-id=00150001,timestamp=2019-08-29T02:37:29.876+0000) > > Whilst I think this is a neat idea, it would be kinda hard to see Xayah through Rakan's shield during that moment. Also, since we're currently linking light form with her Ultimate, it might confuse people and make them think she had just used her ult. it really... really wouldnt this is another really awful excuse.
: Hi, Beardilocks here to answer your question about uncorrupted variants of these skins. First let me start off by saying I love how passionate about Xayah and Rakan Star Guardians everyone has been! I can see that you guys love both their light and dark forms, and we have definitely heard your feedback that this is a feature that you would like. However, I'm afraid that it isn't quite as simple as it initially seems, as there are quite a few things to consider. Please bear with me and read the whole context of why we won't be able to provide these. When we set about designing the Star Guardians for this year, we knew we wanted to evolve the thematic and expand the storyline. Until now, there had not been any definite antagonist for the Star Guardians to fight against - just some slightly generic monsters invading the city. We chose to do this by establishing Zoe as a villain in the universe, and having Xayah and Rakan as fallen Guardians, whom she had corrupted with her evil. When we go about creating a new skin for a character we create 3 "Pillars": Core concepts about the identity of the skin that are like guiding principals that we always try to work in to every aspect of their character. For Star Guardian Xayah, these pillars were: - Corrupted former star guardian with **internal struggle** - Dark star guardian beauty/ beauty with an edge - Fierce warrior spirit As such, when we were making creative decisions about the design, animations, sound, visual effects and voice recording, we tried to make sure that we were representing at least one of these pillars. You can see that I have highlighted the **internal struggle** part of her first pillar, as this is the most important defining feature of this skin. In pretty much every ability, animation and recall, we were trying to play up the struggle between dark and light, between good and bad. You can see this in her spells - her W is her reveling in her dark power, using it to damage enemies. Her R is supposed to be the most exciting moment, and highlight of her gameplay, and so is the point where we create the most contrast, expelling out the darkness and returning her to her original light form. All her voice acting also reinforces this - her voice lines are a contrast to her normal ones, where she is a badass anime villain, especially taunting the _loser _Star Guardians of her former team. We also wanted to play up the dynamic between Xayah and Rakan in this struggle between good and evil. In both their solo and duo recalls we see Rakan trying to save Xayah from the darkness by taking it into himself, trying to sacrifice himself to save her, becoming even more dark and corrupted in the process. This all ties into the story of Star Guardian this year (more story details to come soon!), though I don't want to spoil anything more in that area. **If we were to simply put a light version chroma out of this skin it would remove the central pillar of this skin, the internal struggle between light and dark, and the thing that makes this skin a legendary.** It would mean that a lot of their spells would not make any sense. A light Star Guardian Xayah would turn dark when she uses W (which would be a big contrast), but she would not change at all when she did her Ult (which would feel less impactful than her W at that point). Rakan would fire darkness out of him when he did his W (which wouldn't make sense), and when he ulted he'd turn super dark and grow big evil wings. Their recalls would not make any sense either, as the whole aspect of corrupting darkness would be out of place, and there would be no emotional impact to Rakan trying to take the darkness from Xayah. Further more, none of the VO of them being evil would make sense either. Some players have suggested that they would be fine with stuff not making sense and I understand that, but I don't think everyone would feel that way. I welcome anyone who thinks _all_ players would let a "small" detail like most of their spells not making sense to go to read some of the responses of other players on the boards and twitter about minor details they don't like :( If we did commit to fixing all of these things so that they made sense for a light variant, we'd need to do entirely new visual and sound effects, new animations, new voiceover and new recalls. At that point, we would basically have to charge the price of a whole new skin, or to add these as a toggle they'd basically need to become ultimates, because it would take the same amount of development time as a whole new skin would. Deciding to do this would be something we would have to do at the start of development, not after they are revealed on PBE. Additionally, they would be alternate skins that don't really fit into the story that we're trying to tell this year, which might even potentially confuse players. I know you're super passionate about this, and it's something I think would have been awesome to see too, but if it was something we chose to do, I would definitely want to do it properly to do it justice. Instead we chose to focus on delivering dark, corrupted Star Guardians, which I think we did successfully, but I'm sorry if you're disappointed.
This is a WEIRD time to be worried about the lore making sense. Where was that when we had pink chromas for pyke who is a deadly project assassin? **Chromas in general are conflicting with the very basis of this skinline because they all are supposed to have specifically colored gems.** Or was that not something you thought would confuse people out of convenience? We are all willing to _**PAY MONEY**_. Just make it so you can pick to use one for the majority of the game, light or dark. A simple TOGGLE FEATURE would fix both sides of this issue. I can understand not a full chroma, but being able to CHOOSE which you are ((light or dark)) would reflect the conflict of xayah and rakan fighting corruption ten times better than forcing us to use the dark one only. I've never been as hurt by a decision as I am with this. SO SO SO Many people are BEGGING for this and you're all ignoring it for "the lore". The voice lines and recalls arent going to confuse anybody because most people are smart enough to tell the difference between a chroma/toggle from the original skin content. _I am honestly considering not even buying the star guardian skins this year and I saved up over $100 for when they drop._ _All I can say is please reconsider. You are hurting all of us who have been faithful to this skin line and bought every single skin._ THIS IS A MISTAKE AND A LOSS OF MONEY. You are ALIENATING a majority of this fanbase and it is sad. {{sticker:sg-soraka}}
: Hi Bees, Whilst changing the names of these skins to something cool like Fallen Star would be awesome for these skins specifically, we chose to keep them as Star Guardians because the skin line name defines the universe that they live in, rather than dividing them into their own sub-category. This is the same policy we did with PROJECT, Pool Party, etc. Even though they might be different and/or evolve each year, we try name them by the universe that they live in, even if there might be a more descriptive title we could use, as it helps to group all similar skins together. Also, deep down within their hearts, Xayah and Rakan are still Star Guardians ;)
"Also, deep down within their hearts, Xayah and Rakan are still Star Guardians ;)" so can we please have a toggle for their light and dark forms please {{sticker:sg-lux-2}} {{sticker:sg-soraka}}
Rioter Comments
: PBE Bugs & Feedback Thread: Star Guardian Rakan
Please just either delay the skins so we can have chromas/toggle for the light version or give them the chromas next patch I can't stand this. I love these skins SO much but they deserve better than this! The models for the light versions look so good! we still have awhile before this next patch goes live so please riot change them. Prestige Neeko isnt even on pbe yet! The entire community is asking for it at this point.
: PBE Bugs & Feedback Thread: Star Guardian Xayah
PLEASE GIVE US CHROMAS OF HER AND RAKANS NORMAL COLORS!!!
: PBE Bugs & Feedback Thread: Star Guardian Rakan
PLEASE GIVE US CHROMAS FOR HIM AND XAYAHS NORMAL FORMS
: Star Guardian 2019 Review
yes to all of this. please riot! give us xayah and rakan chromas or a toggle! this ruins the skins :(
: SG Xayah and Rakan change
I agree! I really hope riot listens here. These skins have so much potential. They changed akali to have the neon kda stuff... they should be able to do this too :( edit: id even pay more for these skins if riot changed it to make them toggleable or even chromas... please just give us light forms

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